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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by gdy »

luckydata wrote: post #339
gdy wrote: post #273

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"we say that our values (as imperfect in their application as they might be) are worth more than money" The US keeps selling weapons to the Saudi Arabia that uses them to wage a war of aggression in Yemen, that has brazenly murdered a journalist working for an American newspaper, that executes opposition figures based on fake charges of terrorism, that treats women and gays as inferior. What sort of values are you ta…

You're entitled to your opinion, and free to state it, and that's exactly one of the values our constitution enshrines. The others can be found here: https://constitutionus.com/ for the philosophical underpinnings read this: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ If you live in the US and don't like what's going on right now, I suggest you register to vote and help others do the same. For all the evident prob…

The US has been selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for many decades. Free speech, philosophical underpinnings and voting haven't changed that.

From outside it looks like 'do as I say not as I do'.

I live in Russia and we had a constitution saying all the good things in the Stalin's time and we have even better one now.

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #158
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #124

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Pan-Asian relations is far more complex than just China and not-China. TPP wouldn't change that.

Yep, also Bernie denounced the TPP. So it’s not an anti-Democrat position, thought it’s an anti-globalist position.

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Post by dang »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #331
dang wrote: post #254

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I appreciate the mildness of your response to that provocation, but it's a garden variety troll whom we've banned many times. Please just flag and move on.

I can't flag comments for some reason. Is there JS I need to load?

For comments, you have to go to where the flag link appears. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag.

It's done that way as a speed bump to discourage reflexive flagging. An old PG trick.

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Post by dang »

derision wrote: post #314
dang wrote: post #106

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21196261 and marked it off-topic.

How is it off topic? The person I replied to said this: >I hope the next president is even more hardline against China than Trump. And I asked if any other presidential candidates expressed a hardline stance against China. I don't see how that is off topic

The parent comment mentioned Trump's name, but "Trump easily has 4 more years" expanded that into a provocative statement that couldn't possibly go anywhere other than partisan flamewar. If your comment had been just the first and third sentences, it would have been fine.

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Post by luckydata »

gdy wrote: post #341
luckydata wrote: post #339

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You're entitled to your opinion, and free to state it, and that's exactly one of the values our constitution enshrines. The others can be found here: https://constitutionus.com/ for the philosophical underpinnings read this: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ If you live in the US and don't like what's going on right now, I suggest you register to vote and help others do the same. For all the evident prob…

The US has been selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for many decades. Free speech, philosophical underpinnings and voting haven't changed that. From outside it looks like 'do as I say not as I do'. I live in Russia and we had a constitution saying all the good things in the Stalin's time and we have even better one now.

if you don't like the US selling weapons to the Saudis then I suggest you politely ask your government to stop interfering in our elections.

I guarantee results in about 14 months.

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Post by refurb »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #255
refurb wrote: post #231

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Probably not. The Obama approach was a much softer touch. Trump is certainly following up on his threats, but that approach carries some big risks as China can retaliate. It will come down to who blinks first.

It may have been a “softer” approach but it would Have been a far cheaper, and more effective approach. It would also have had the benefit of building alliances that centered around the US, as opposed to weakening alliances. The tariffs have served to strengthen China’s position in the world, more than anything else. As an example, consider the fact that Germany is now allowing the Chinese to enter their market. The…

It will remain to be seen how effective the Trump approach is.

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Post by quotz »

ethbro wrote: post #219
dragontamer wrote: post #201

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> But its only short term until the west figures out how to defeat the communists. The Berlin wall fell nearly 30 years ago and the USSR has collapsed shortly thereafter. China's method of governance isn't anything like the communists. They're actually building advanced economies, as the builder of iPhones and lots of other equipment. China is authoritarian, and probably best described as "legalist" (medieval Chinese…

I feel like the "authoritarian capitalism" trope is inaccurate. China introduced some elements of capitalism and liberty into its economy, but clearly retains government control over what would otherwise be independent companies. Whether it chooses to exercise that control is immaterial -- the CCP obviously believes very strongly that if needed it has that control. And legally, it does. In that respect, China looks m…

Why is this comment flagged and downvoted when in fact it isnt anyhow pro-inflammatory. Hes just stating facts. Whats with this proCCP wave??

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mrlala wrote: post #338
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #332

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Whoa - its possible to have dental care and go to the doctor for most things, and not cost $20K per year. So, healthcare/insurance is not really a priority for people - until it is. Until something major/fixable but very expensive occurs. Then its a priority. So forgive people for being a little blind on the subject. Its insurance after all - you're betting the other guy your house will burn down, and hoping they win…

>Whoa - its possible to have dental care and go to the doctor for most things, and not cost $20K per year. How do you figure that? My health care premiums are $1350 a month for a 10k deductible and 30% co-insurance. My dental premiums are $200/mo.That is $1550/mo WITHOUT any out of pocket costs even. I'm a the premera bronze plan. This isn't even a gold plan. There are a couple plans that are _slightly_ less expensiv…

The point I was attempting to make was, we rarely spend $20K a year on actual dental and miscellaneous medical expenses. Its the catastrophic stuff that's the real, entire reason for the insurance.

Clear?

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Post by ep103 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #195
99_00 wrote: post #117

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China doesn't want a deal. They only want to continue to exploit the US. So the US is gradually decoupling from them.

"Exploit the US" by providing cheap labor to US firms? It's scary to see jingoistic rhetoric spreading on HN. China is the new enemy du jour, and lots of people here seem to be itching for a conflict.

The tables are fundamentally imbalanced now, I see nothing wrong with the US attempting to finally start addressing the issue. The fact that US companies have been exploiting that imbalance to pursue cheap labor is irrelevant to the conversation.

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Post by gdy »

luckydata wrote: post #345
gdy wrote: post #341

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The US has been selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for many decades. Free speech, philosophical underpinnings and voting haven't changed that. From outside it looks like 'do as I say not as I do'. I live in Russia and we had a constitution saying all the good things in the Stalin's time and we have even better one now.

if you don't like the US selling weapons to the Saudis then I suggest you politely ask your government to stop interfering in our elections. I guarantee results in about 14 months.

I don't like your country's hypocrisy.

It didn't start with Trump and I have no reason to think it will end with Trump.

As for Saudi Arabia, I have little doubts Russia will gladly sell them any weapon they want provided it is for sale at all.

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