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Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by wavefunction »

La1n wrote: post #87
reaperducer wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not surprising that two different organizations would have two different headlines. That's common sense, not a conspiracy.

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nb... Even the same organisation. Still not a conspiracy but as a non US citizen it's clear that a lot of the US media doesn't treat China the same as the US. I am sure it's like that in every country, but that makes it difficult to find objective news, or at least news that doesn't have an emotional charge to it.

Websites will a/b test different headlines to drive visitors to the articles and revise them during the course of the day to play off subsequent developments.

The reason they inject emotion into the headlines is because that's what people want.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by ummonk »

hitekker wrote: post #82
moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

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That the protesters are engaging in violence is an established fact.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by La1n »

noja wrote: post #13
tru3_power wrote: post #2

Jeez they even tried to get a song removed from Apple Music? I wonder how much other stuff China was able to suppress without anyone noticing.

If they are worried about a song , it makes them look very weak indeed.

I feel weird about all the China outrage currently. Some of it feels very hypocritical. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/31...

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by _bxg1 »

pdimitar wrote: post #59
meddlepal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking of it wrong, it's not infinite growth investors are after. They are after easy and fast growth. Infinite growth is useless on a mortal timescale. Easy and fast growth is where it's at and places like China offer tons of it.

We are saying the same thing with different words. But I do question if China really offers tons of easy and fast growth.

Fast, but we're starting to see the cracks in "easy".

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by La1n »

wavefunction wrote: post #91
La1n wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nb... Even the same organisation. Still not a conspiracy but as a non US citizen it's clear that a lot of the US media doesn't treat China the same as the US. I am sure it's like that in every country, but that makes it difficult to find objective news, or at least news that doesn't have an emotional charge to it.

Websites will a/b test different headlines to drive visitors to the articles and revise them during the course of the day to play off subsequent developments. The reason they inject emotion into the headlines is because that's what people want.

Oh I fully agree and I think that's terrible. It's awful in my opinion that a news organisation cares more about their income and what people want to hear, than what is objective news.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by kwizzt »

secraetomani wrote: post #89
moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.

One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done.

When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media want you to make. I'll give you another video about Hong Kong protesters for a different perspective: https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0

This video by no means represents all of the protesters, but I hope people here can see the same event from different angles.

Edit: fix typo

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by throw0101a »

Scramblejams wrote: post #77
Despegar wrote: post #5

Apple will most likely be fine because it's unlike any other western company operating in China in that it employs a lot of people assembling their products. It's not in the CCP's interest for people to boycott Apple in a nationalist fervor only for unemployment to rise, which would be an existential threat to the CCP if they lost control of.

I doubt it. This is just, like, my opinion, man, but I think the Chinese would walk away from any company in the world in an instant if it suits their security needs. If their economic ministry is doing its job then they will have detailed contingency plans to address the loss of any of their major foreign benefactors, and if required those jobs can be replaced with state handouts, at least until the crisis passes. I…

> If I were Tim Cook I'd be real worried about being shut out of my own supply chain right about now.

You're not wrong, but if people see that China is willing to shutdown someone as big as Apple, then they'll know that everyone else (who is probably smaller) stand no chance at all. People may start re-evaluating the (economic / supply-chain) risks they're will to take at that point.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by camdenlock »

ycombonator wrote: post #31
strooper wrote: post #7

Western companies have been bending blatantly a little too low to save assets and market shares in China. With trade war, human rights abuse in Xinjiang, and Hong Kong protest, this is probably a good chance for the West to stand against China's invasion.

No politician for the past 50 years stood up to China until Trump faced them head on. Credit where it’s due.

Yeah, it’s beyond sad to me that TRUMP is the guy who just happens to be standing up to the authoritarian threat of China.

Why can’t we get a proper leader to do the same? Are any of the Democratic Party nominees making good noises about China?

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by jcranmer »

vuln wrote: post #50
vermontdevil wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He sure isn’t standing up for Hong Kong. Jeez.

What does standing up for Hong Kong mean to you. What could Trump do to help? Generally curious.

Extend an official visit to one of the protest leaders.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by secraetomani »

kwizzt wrote: post #96
secraetomani wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.

One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media…

Yes, one man will have the final word regarding a ban on Apple. I didn't say that Chinese people wouldn't approve of the ban. But it will be for one man to decide one way or the other.
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