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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by stereolambda »

legohead wrote: post #58
heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

They could have gotten away with it had they not been so severe. They: Banned the player, fired the casters , and took back the player's winnings . They should have just banned the player for a year and left it at that. (not agreeing with anything that they did, just looking at it from a PR perspective)

I think the details that you mention wouldn't be so important in the media narrative (although maybe they would in the gamers' perception). The ban alone probably speaks to the imagination the most.

I am, for one, moderately optimistic looking at the Western counter-outrage and people ditching Blizzard. We need strong and widely held convictions to defend our basic liberty. Coming from the former Eastern Block, I can easily imagine what is it like to have an unfree government convincing the world that we want to live under its "protection", applying material pressures and pseudo-patriotic propaganda to make it appear so etc. If clumsy Chinese silencing play will trigger more popular defensive reactions, it's good. And in economy, historically totalitarian regimes can be extremely good in catching up (see Stalin's industrialization), not so good in outrunning.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by [deleted] »

tempsy wrote: post #99
UseStrict wrote: post #4

It's a weird day when I find myself agreeing with Marco Rubio. But it's true, China is effectively attempting a global chill on free speech by gating market access. If we don't stand up now, the effects will be felt long into the future.

Something tells me this will end with Apple in the middle. Can't think of a company more exposed to both China and the US.

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by AFascistWorld »

nkurz wrote: post #256
Knove wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe what I mean is not clear enough. I imagine that a star, just a few days after 9/11, openly declared that 9/11 was a great recovery movement.

I don't think people understand what you mean by "recovery moment". At least in American English, it's not a standard phrase. Personally, I've never heard it before. Maybe you could try an alternate phrasing?

https://twitter.com/search?q=CHINAZI%20911&src=typed_query

He's referring to this.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by magashna »

bduerst wrote: post #163
tempsy wrote: post #57

Another incident: A fan at a 76ers game was escorted out after shouting "free Hong Kong" before a game against a CBA team in Philadelphia yesterday. https://twitter.com/Christie_Ileto/status/118177972224357580...

Were they escorted out because of what they were saying, or were they escorted out for being annoying and disrupting the game?

Have you been to a basketball game? It would be really difficult to "be annoying" or "disrupt" the din of noise that fills an arena.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by ookblah »

Knove wrote: post #208
volkadav wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people exercising their freedom of speech is an insult to your "national dignity", your nation sucks. What about sowing distrust of the media, further, is "rational" as you so carefully allude to twice? If the truth is the enemy, you are on the wrong side. Your whataboutism about the US and 9/11 isn't even on target. No one here is particularly upset if you talk about it, except maybe the more jingoistic sort when…

Maybe my meaning is not clear enough. Let me give you an example. Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a great recovery operation.

That person would get blasted and suffer the PR and economic consequences (like pulled sponsorships), but none of these "punishments" are state sanctioned. For the most part people are free to express what they believe.

Contrast this to China what do you think would happen? The irony of you bringing all this up as some kind of counterpoint is strange.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by throwawayjohnny »

heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by pnw_hazor »

Knove wrote: post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

The western/democratic world does not see HK protests as a bad thing. It sees the oppression of free speech and democracy as a bad thing, especially knowing how the Tienanmen Square uprising ended.

China (CCP) is trying to destroy freedom in HK. The HK people do not want to lose their freedom. To many in democratic societies what is happening in HK is our worst nightmare.

After 9/11, there were Americans that made implied or overt statements that the US caused or deserved 9/11. Many of them were suppressed (none were jailed) or protested against by government and citizens alike. Some were not.

Now, years later, many more rightly or wrongly suggest without consequence that the actions of the US led to 9/11 or the US deserved it.

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by cortesoft »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #83
heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

Blizzard has been on a downward spiral for years. They still have awesome teams releasing and maintaining awesome games, (thank you for custom colors in SC Remastered!), but by and large their direction has been towards EA and away from their true fans.

Their revenue was growing pretty steadily for years until this past year. What makes you think they were on a downward spiral this whole time?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by magashna »

greggman2 wrote: post #78

I'm mixed on this. I'm 100% for Chung “Blitzchung” Ng Wai to express his support for Hong Kong. I'm not so sure it's okay for him to do it on Blizzard's show/event. 27 years ago Sinead O'Connor ripped up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live when it was broadcast live. She's was arguably right to critize the Pope but was she right to do it from Saturday Night Live's Live broadcast? IIRC because of that inciden…

What's the point of showing support in secret? It's no martyrdom if no one hears or cares.
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