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China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by reaperducer »

moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

It's not surprising that two different organizations would have two different headlines. That's common sense, not a conspiracy.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by makapuf »

strken wrote: post #37
pdimitar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People buy devices cheaper than the iPhone either because they cannot afford it or because they disagree with Apple somewhere. First group doesn't really have a choice and the second group has no interest in an iPhone.

This might be broadly true in the US, where iPhones are a status symbol and where they achieved market dominance early, but it's not true globally.

I certainly enjoy being able to access my phone as a USB drive from linux, being able to put an sd card and run (real) firefox. Wouldn't want an iPhone. I think this kind of capability will be more and more relevant.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

makapuf wrote: post #69
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if China fully boycotted Apple They'd seize the factories and continue production, at least for the medium term. It makes no sense economically, but it keeps Xi in power. To Beijing, the factories are valuable for (a) IP and (b) jobs. Apple walking deprives China of (a), but not (b), not in the short term.

Good luck producing iPhones without the chips, which are not made in China and have at most a few weeks worth of stock, I'd guess.

> Good luck producing iPhones without the chips

They wouldn't produce iPhones without the chips. They'd just keep running the lines. Apple has limited leverage in threatening to walk away from China.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by prklmn »

tnolet wrote: post #55
sorenn111 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I googled and saw that there's 4.8 Million apple employees in China? More than i expected when I started the Google search. With that said, is that enough for China to care at all? a little? a lot? Meaning, I wouldn't be surprised if China would forgo plenty of jobs from Western companies as their economy matures. Especially if China fully boycotted Apple, I doubt many other US Companies would respond at all Many…

Not sure what Google you use, but Apple has about 123.000 employees in total. Edit: according to Wiki, the US DoD is the largest employer in the world at 2.1M employees. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers

This figure includes the employees of Apple contractors. It’s a representation of how many jobs Apple supports in China. Of course Apple is not directly manufacturing anything in China, but the factories and parts suppliers are very much dependent on Apple’s business.

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Post by reaperducer »

dkonofalski wrote: post #48
vermontdevil wrote: post #36

Apple is going to cave. And it’ll set a worse precedent because other governments are going to demand backdoors etc.

If Apple didn't cave to the US government, what makes you think they're going to cave to China?

If Apple didn't cave to the US government, what makes you think they're going to cave to China?

Because it has, occasionally, in the past.

Apple doesn't have a perfect record when it comes to China. It's OK. I'm not sure I'd call it "good."

But between the Taiwan flag emoji, and the Chinese iCloud fiasco, my esteem for Apple is at an all-time low.

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Post by makapuf »

makapuf wrote: post #69
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if China fully boycotted Apple They'd seize the factories and continue production, at least for the medium term. It makes no sense economically, but it keeps Xi in power. To Beijing, the factories are valuable for (a) IP and (b) jobs. Apple walking deprives China of (a), but not (b), not in the short term.

Good luck producing iPhones without the chips, which are not made in China and have at most a few weeks worth of stock, I'd guess.

Ah you mean apple can't stop producing in China quickly. Well that's what you get for putting all your eggs in the same red basket.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by Scramblejams »

Despegar wrote: post #5

Apple will most likely be fine because it's unlike any other western company operating in China in that it employs a lot of people assembling their products. It's not in the CCP's interest for people to boycott Apple in a nationalist fervor only for unemployment to rise, which would be an existential threat to the CCP if they lost control of.

I doubt it. This is just, like, my opinion, man, but I think the Chinese would walk away from any company in the world in an instant if it suits their security needs. If their economic ministry is doing its job then they will have detailed contingency plans to address the loss of any of their major foreign benefactors, and if required those jobs can be replaced with state handouts, at least until the crisis passes.

If I were Tim Cook I'd be real worried about being shut out of my own supply chain right about now.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by NicoJuicy »

helpPeople wrote: post #43
NicoJuicy wrote: post #33

I'm an Android user, but this might be the first action of Apple that gets some respect from me without alternative motives. It would be one that makes me change to a more expensive platform in 3-6 months. Nice

Apple has bent the knee plenty of times to China. If you really are an Android user, this should not be news. You can put any app on your device. Only Apple restricts you.

I did say it's the first time, didn't I

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Post by ootan »

dkonofalski wrote: post #39

Weird. Yesterday, people on here were accusing Apple of bowing to the Chinese for this exact same app.

It's not weird. Apple reversed their decision and allowed the app on the App Store. Now they are facing veiled threats from Chinese state media for doing the right thing.

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Post by bluGill »

vuln wrote: post #50
vermontdevil wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He sure isn’t standing up for Hong Kong. Jeez.

What does standing up for Hong Kong mean to you. What could Trump do to help? Generally curious.

Just recognizing HK and Taiwan as separate countries from China would be big.
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