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Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Blizzard has shown their true colors: make money at all costs.

This is almost every company ever to be fair.

True, but it hurts more when it's a company with such a great history and strong relationship with its customers.

I think people don't really care about what Nestlé or Monsanto do because they've never really cared about those companies, but people care about Blizzard.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#192
post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

> United States does not want to be talked about 911

As a US citizen, please talk about 9/11. The response Americans had in the wake of that tragedy is reprehensible - the entire country gave unanimous support to the government to commit war crimes in nations around the world - including our own. Torture, illegal detainment, wars founded on lies to make private contractors rich, expansive laws like the Patriot Act, NDAA expansions, and establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, all of which grossly violate civil liberties and privacy.

The rest of the world should criticize America for 9/11, for being responsible for the destabilization of countries that led to such a degree of organized terror in the decades leading up to it, as much as we should be criticized for the heinous acts domestically and abroad committed in response to it (or at least, that were excused by it).

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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It is scary to see how much more China and the CCP can get away with, I'm looking forward to seeing where it will all end up. Probably not in a good place. Money talks, morals? Not so much.

I don't suppose the lack of legitimacy of the CCP will make anyone more likely to recognize Taiwan? Anybody? Oh, well.

I feel for Taiwan.

Whatever hopes the borderline pro-China Taiwanese harbored must’ve been shattered by what is happening in Hong Kong this past year.

The true character of China has been revealed: The CCP is power-hungry and don’t feel constrained at all.

I would consider it a fight or die situation in slow motion from here on out.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all Americans can agree on freedom of speech.

Not recently.

That's because most people don't understand that "freedom of speech" and "free speech", while related concepts, are actually different.

Freedom of speech is what the US Constitution guarantees. It says the government cannot limit people's ability to speak their mind, and cannot punish people for speaking their mind. Note that it says nothing about what private entities can do, especially on platforms they own and operate.

"Free speech", as exercised nowadays (mostly) by conservatives who complain about being "silenced", is the (in my opinion ridiculous) idea that one should be able to say anything they want without any consequences whatsoever, and that they are entitled to any platform they choose to spread that message. These are the same people who advocate for a "marketplace of ideas", but get bent out of shape when that marketplace reacts negatively to their opinions.

In my opinion, we need to rid ourselves of the idea that all ideas are equally valid and deserve equal amounts of airtime and consideration. Furthermore, it is okay to completely dismiss certain ideas on their total lack of merit, and furthermore take (private) action to prevent their spread. For example if I post on this site that "all people of need to be exterminated" it would be completely okay for others here to downvote/flag my post (i.e. "censorship") and for HN to ban me (i.e. "de-platforming").

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#195
post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

just as the United States does not want to be talked about 911

I'm not sure what you mean by this. In the United States there is a completely unregulated cottage industry disseminating all sorts of misinformation and conspiracy theories about 9/11. There are people who make a living doing this.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#196
post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

Huh?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#197
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unconstitutional? Like, did you try to read first amendment? Here it is: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. So, did Congress of the USA have to do anything about it? No, "free spee…

> No, "free speech" does not mean you can say anything you want without facing consequences from people who hired you or your friends. Blizzard hired player to play in tournament, and they can fire him if they want. There is nothing illegal in Blizzard's actions. The only ones that hold these sorts of views are the ones with nothing interesting to say.

>> Morally, though

>The only ones that hold these sorts of views are the ones with nothing interesting to say.

I'm confused by your response; what is it you are trying to say?

They were making a legal description of why the 1st amendment doesn't prevent a private entity from censoring; not a moral one.

From a legal perspective, they are right. The constitution prevents the government (and only the government) from restricting speech.

If this guy was going to jail or being fined by the US Government because he said FreeHK, then that would be a rights violation.

He isn't going to jail; so, now it is up to the terms of his contract with Blizzard/EA as to whether there is a Civil or Criminal legal violation (and any applicable labor laws in whatever jurisdiction can be applied); and even if there is a legal violation, that would be a contract law issue and not a rights law issue (or a local labor law issue).

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#198
post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

I wasn't aware that people in the US don't want to talk about 9/11. There have been multiple books and movies about the failure to prevent the terrorist attack, the attack itself, and years of aftermath. Public discourse about the event isn't suppressed, and even George W Bush has commented about the event while he was president and after he left office. Though I've seen it referenced multiple times, I don't see the connection between Hong Kong's protests and 9/11.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#199
post #143

It's almost as though we need a president interested in some kind of trade...conflict with China. If only we had one of those.

I hate Trump for a lot of reasons, but I support his way of dealing with China.

The president asked for the assistance of Chinese government to help him get dirt on his political opponents in the U.S.

https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

#200

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

Blizzard has been on a downward spiral for years. They still have awesome teams releasing and maintaining awesome games, (thank you for custom colors in SC Remastered!), but by and large their direction has been towards EA and away from their true fans.

If anything their perspective seems to be that their "true fans" are mainly Chinese and are playing cheap knock of mobile games.
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