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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by greggman2 »

libertine wrote: post #120

This reminds me of a story a teacher of mine told in a Advertising class, about a retailer that put pressure on a soda maker to lower prices, or they wouldn't give them share of shelf. Well the soda maker didn't agree, so they pulled the inventory out. Weeks later the retailer came back to invite them in at the same rates. Apparently the customers weren't happy that their favorite soda wasn't available, and made sure…

I wish that worked by my anecdata says otherwise. Walgreen got rid of lots of branded items and replaced them with their cheaper "Nice!" brand products. 7/11 here in Japan has been working on getting rid of brands. They no longer carry branded tea. They are working on getting rid of branded coffees.

Both companiese "seem" to be doing fine AFAICT. Most people I've asked seem not to care. I'd love it if they did care since the store branded products are not as good IMO.

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Post by mirimir »

tw04 wrote: post #20

The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

It seems plausible that Hong Kong is actually a substantial third-rail issue for the mainland population. And that it doesn't just reflect Chinese government propaganda. If that's the case, profit-driven pandering to their feelings is arguably no different than profit-driven pandering to the feelings of other audiences.

I mean, after all, Hong Kong was occupied by the British for over 100 years. And it played a huge role in the opium trade. So I can imagine how it could be a substantial third-rail issue.

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Post by king_panic »

duguxu wrote: post #440
_ptgt wrote: post #424

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While this definitely exists, I’m not completely convinced the true intensity of the Chinese exactly matches the front that Beijing allows forth. I’m confident that most Chinese are unhappy (maybe very unhappy) with the comments, but an entirely organic nationwide boycott seems a little farfetched to me. Chinese aren’t robots; there’s significant variance of opinions and eagerness about politics among them just like…

Why are you confident about Chinese? Do you have any evidence directly from mainland Chinese to support your arguments, or only speculations?

I am also confident that the Chinese aren't robots. Sadly I have no evidence directly from mainland China, you could say it's simply speculation.

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Post by tim333 »

kleer001 wrote: post #238
themgt wrote: post #184

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The reality is, our political and corporate elites made a deal with the devil two decades ago, because the $ to be made off-shoring manufacturing and gaining access to Chinese markets was too good to pass up. They lied to the public that China posed no economic or military threat going forward, and that our glorious free markets would inevitably lead to a bottom-up liberalization of China. Instead, we've played ourse…

20 years ago? I'd pin it on Nixon's visit in 1972, nearly 50 years ago. Without that I'd bet China would have civil warred and bootstrapped its self into Democracy.

China's neighbours Vietnam and N Korea haven't done well at such things. I'd bet the other way.

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Post by mediochrea »

navigatesol wrote: post #325
fiblye wrote: post #298

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For some reason, a lot of people have convinced themselves that youth around the world all value rebellion and standing up for freedom. It’s not true. It’s especially not true in China. Young people in China are generally ultra nationalist and they support virtually everything the government does. If China bans something, the overwhelming majority of them will have a dozen reasons why it’s an excellent decision ready…

> Young people in China are generally ultra nationalist and they support virtually everything the government does. Many Westerners have trouble coming to terms with things like "Not all the Chinese hate the CCP", or "Russians are just regular people like you and me."

How many anti-government protests have you seen in China?

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Post by ashelmire »

bilbo0s wrote: post #374
thelittleone wrote: post #252

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You could do that, or just boycott the one(s) you feel strongly about. Any action is better than inaction.

> just boycott the one(s) you feel strongly about. That's the rub. That's the same thing as saying you don't necessarily mind doing business with human rights abusers, as long as you don't feel too strongly about the people being abused.

I don't think that's true. It's saying that you're going to make as many changes as you reasonably can in your life. Perfect is the enemy of good. (And only a sith deals in absolutes!)

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Post by SilasX »

habitue wrote: post #215
SilasX wrote: post #147

Is it just me, or are there a lot of stories now about China throwing its financial weight around to influence speech? We had the Blizzard/War of Omens thing [1], and the Houston Rockets remark being rescinded [2], and the South Park cancellation [3], and now this, all in the span of about a week. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/blizzard-removes-blitzchung-from-h... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/houston-rockets-g…

Well, there's a common cause right? The protests in HK

Yeah but that’s been going on for months and it feels like there’s a sudden surge (though I don’t have the stats to rigorously prove a sudden change).

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Post by j-c-hewitt »

If you want to do business in China, you have to comply with Chinese laws including those on speech. If you do not want to comply with those laws, you cannot do business in China. Both are fine and both are legal, but you cannot have it both ways at the same time.

You cannot flout the laws in China and continue to do business in China. This should also be reciprocal: Chinese companies should not be able to do business in the United States while flouting the laws of the United States.

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Post by stone-monkey »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #423
sushid wrote: post #366

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Your statement is still absurd. Would you consider an Irish American player to be “exported from” Ireland?

Probably? Why would that be different?

Because we already have a preexisting standard we conform to. Saying Jeremy Lin is a Chinese export is like saying the NBA mostly consists of African exports - we generally consider the black players with some African heritage as just Americans. Jeremy Lin is an American with Chinese heritage - This also helps to differentiate from players who actually have emigrated from other countries like Hakeem Olajuwon.
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