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'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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I'm not sure what your point here is?

I think the irony is that South Park is self-censoring for the European market. I know that's not equivalent to state censorship, but it's still ironic.

Southpark.cc.com is and has always been visible from Italy.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Well, lets not forget their detention camps for ethnic minorities they don't like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-... I mean at this rate, I seriously think in a decade or two, we're going to find a Holocaust level event has been going on in China that's going to make the Nazis look like amateurs. But instead, we're focused on stupid left/right political differences and figuring out wheth…

Putting ethnic minorities in concentration camps is an early-Holocaust atrocity today .

> Putting ethnic minorities in concentration camps is an early-Holocaust atrocity today.

Yep. But maybe we should fix Guantanamo first

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Meanwhile in America you are liable for insulting vegetables https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws Point is, every country has exceptions, and indexing on irrelevant edge cases isn’t especially useful. America is pretty darn good at free speech. But so is, say, Canada.

This is a civil matter between two non-government entities. It has nothing to do with government restrictions on or criminalizing speech. It's a form of fraud.

If the government offers special interest groups special laws to impose economic penalties on others for saying certain things, then free speech has been restricted, just by different mechanisms. I understand this says “libel” laws but does not mean they are fair or only preventative of actual fraud. In many cases they’re used against claims which are actually true or said without the intent to deceive.

This is a better source than the Wikipedia I provided.

https://cldc.org/aeta-veggie-libel/

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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This is a civil matter between two non-government entities. It has nothing to do with government restrictions on or criminalizing speech. It's a form of fraud.

If the government offers special interest groups special laws to impose economic penalties on others for saying certain things, then free speech has been restricted, just by different mechanisms. I understand this says “libel” laws but does not mean they are fair or only preventative of actual fraud. In many cases they’re used against claims which are actually true or said without the intent to deceive. This is a bet…

If anything that article proves the law is working as intended. Truthful claims were allowed.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

Well, lets not forget their detention camps for ethnic minorities they don't like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-... I mean at this rate, I seriously think in a decade or two, we're going to find a Holocaust level event has been going on in China that's going to make the Nazis look like amateurs. But instead, we're focused on stupid left/right political differences and figuring out wheth…

Holocaust level events have already happened in China. For instance, Hitler was responsible for ~11million deaths, Stalin ~6-9million and Mao was estimated at over 40million.[1] Currently China has an entire ethnic group under full lock down where millions of “terrorists” and their families are already interned in large camps where there are reports of forced sterilization.[2] Due to the pervasiveness of technology things will likely get much worse. However I disagree with the assertion that we are not doing anything because we are distracted by civil liberty issues such as trans rights I think there are far more economic factors involved. Furthermore, using the unrelated tragedies of other countries to accentuate polarizing partisan topics diminishes both the severity and legitimacy of an argument.

[1] https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/02/05/who-killed-more-hit... [2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7546833/amp/Chinese...

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I’ll be sure to remind the millions of Muslims in Chinese concentration camps that they can rest easy knowing that other countries also sometimes commit atrocities.

Hey, hey, homie. I've been discussing that it's been going on here on HN and arguing against some apologists for the communist regime in China. Shove it. The point to that statement, instead of trying to use this as a situation where America is to blame, because it always is, let's stick to the discussion at hand with China and their CURRENT atrocities. Because no country is innocent, no country is heaven sent. We're…

Right, so I’m really curious as to why you’ve done exactly that, and then were exceedingly rude about it.

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South Park is in a unique situation, because they make fun of everyone , it's less toxic to brands than a show that has offeneded a specific group.

I don't know, I think they pretty much offend everyone poignantly. At such a level I find it hard that a brand, especially these days, wouldn't be scared to be affiliated with them. To their credit, yes, they tend to offend both sides of an issue in a rather honest way. There's a good reason they got a liberal award. They play middle fence pretty damn well... so well the group giving the award didn't know they were r…

> I don't know if we'll ever see another South Park.

We need more, not fewer South Parks.

Not that I agree with their every riff (being of the Evangelical ilk) but their irreverence is as American as the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

We either wear our South Park with pride, or become as Hong Kong or Venezuela or another country people are fleeing.

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If the government offers special interest groups special laws to impose economic penalties on others for saying certain things, then free speech has been restricted, just by different mechanisms. I understand this says “libel” laws but does not mean they are fair or only preventative of actual fraud. In many cases they’re used against claims which are actually true or said without the intent to deceive. This is a bet…

If anything that article proves the law is working as intended. Truthful claims were allowed.

They did, but the court fees were high, and are high enough to dissuade people who aren’t billionaire talk show hosts from saying similar things. As I said, America is quite good at free speech. But it has its gaps, much like most other countries which would self identify as free speech countries. In the grand scheme, they really don’t matter.

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Threatening someone's life is a bit different from a cartoon, and it should get anyone arrested in any country, with some consideration of context, of course.

I was under the understanding that words generally don't rise to the legal definition of assault (at least in the US).

"words" doesn't mean anything. Making a death threat isn't just "words". [0]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/t...

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Please expand on what this "Rule of Law" proper noun you're referring to is. I am quite curious how it is a thing that democratic societies can have while tyrannies must lack it and I reeeeally suspect that your distinction will fall under a No True Scotsman fallacy.

The difference is simply "rule of law" and "rule by law". Rule of Law means the law rules, and all laws apply to all people, without considering their wealth or connections or anything at all , other than their deeds and the law. Rule by Law means people use laws (and often selective enforcement of it) to rule over others. e.g. > The Rule of Law is an intrinsically abstract idea, which finds itself grounded in philos…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
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