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Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

#101

In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.

Are you sure you haven't signed some obligatory arbitration clause?

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Does Blizzard's muzzling/suspension of a Hearthstone tournament player count? Sure, the player isn't an employee, but essentially earns money by playing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21190265

Not really. Blizzard cites a specific rule that all the tournament players agree to that allows them to do that. Most employees don't have any such agreement with their employer. Even so, with at-will employment, employees have always been subject to being fired for saying something controversial on social media, so this is nothing new.

I mean there will always be legal excuse.

Corporations hr departments have firing down to a fine art.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

#103

In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.

Political activity isn't protected against workplace discrimination federally, and I would think that, were one an absolutist about freedom of politics speech, one would have to view state establishment of political activity as protected against private discrimination (in employment and in public accommodations) as California has established to be a violation of the absolute freedom of political expression otherwise enjoyed by employers and operators of privately-provided public accommodations.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

#104

In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.

this is nice

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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That's what your brain tells you. Is it reality? A better explanation: China is much more unstable than Russia, and revolution is a much more dangerous and consequential threat.

That's an interesting take on it. I wonder if you're right. (And I'm torn as to whether to hope that you're right, or to fear that you are.)

China’s major political shifts until the liberalizations have resulted in bloodshed costing the lives of millions, if not tens of millions of deaths. (E.g. Deposing the Qing, Warlord Era, KMT vs CCP, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution).

The major issue is that the mythos of the Chinese state has always required a unified China, and unifying such a large, heavily populated country is difficult.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Doesn't sound like he did at all. The first cartoon states that you should have the right to say everything you feel you should say, while the second states that no one is forced to listen to you.

"If you are yelled at, boycotted [due to pressure from China], have your show cancelled [due to pressure from China], get banned from an internet community [due to pressure from China], your free speech rights aren't being violated"

"It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole."

I don't think it's unfair to presume that the author wasn't considering "people" to be "nations" in this context.

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Russia jails critics and worse on a frequent basis. From the Gulags to Pussy Riot to this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/06/russian-parlia... > The law, which critics say is reminiscent of Soviet-era legislation used to target political dissidents, stipulates fines of up to 100,000 roubles (£1,155) for “indecent” online posts that demonstrate a “blatant disrespect for society, the country, Russia’s offic…

Sure they do. They don't do as much to exert international pressure, though. Perhaps I should have said that, while China and Russia are both very concerned about their image inside the country (showing that they have some fear of their own population, perhaps), China is much touchier about its image outside the country.

because Russia is not as relevant internationally.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-p... https://www.ibtimes.com/cathay-pacific-ceo-praised-not-givin...

You provided two links which both reference the same news source, which cites their source as > One of the first netizens to share this news, David Ng, a student at the Education University of Hong Kong, told Taiwan News that this information came from a trusted source who works as a manager for Cathay Pacific Airways

Not sure what you want from me, I don't have internal company memos or anything. I'm just sharing what I read in news articles.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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While I agree with your general sentiment, free speech absolutism is meaningless in employment settings without something like militant labor organizing to defend it. It’s not protected in many cases and they can always just fire you and exhaust your resources in any resulting legal battle. If you had a union on the other hand, it could stipulate protection of this kind of speech as part of the employment contract an…

> While I agree with your general sentiment, free speech absolutism is meaningless in employment settings without something like militant labor organizing to defend it. Sounds an awful lot like a socialist euphemism for an ideologically-motivated blend of censorship.

I don't see how you can possibly get that from the comment.

Socialism, yeah okay. Pro-censorship?

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