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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ericd »

asdff wrote: post #121
ericd wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite are the dialogs whose only options are "Do the thing we want" or "Learn more about the thing we want" with no option to dismiss. Slightly less terrible are the daily dialogs that give the options "Do the thing we want" or "Bug me tomorrow". More and more, Apple devs seem to have contempt for the idea that the user should be in control. They haven't quite descended to Microsoft levels of "We're restarting…

Just as I've read this comment, I got a 60 second restart countdown notification for untold software updates. Like what if I got up to do something found all my shit locked up behind an update that to date cannot report an accurate timeframe (why bother reporting one at all if they haven't been right since my first mac with tiger). I'm not even on catalina yet, so maybe that's it. I don't know what's with microsoft a…

Haha I guess that was bound to happen, given the number of HNers. I don't remember the last time I saw that one, though, whereas my Windows box is always trying to restart itself (despite frequently succeeding). I'm currently beating back iCloud notifications.

Man, I miss Snow Leopard. I think that was peak OS X for me.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ohazi »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Wifi: The advice from five years ago was to select/buy the Intel wifi card. Those are the only ones I've used, and they've all Just Worked. Intel cards are the only option if you're buying a Thinkpad.

Sleep and hibernate: Works on every Lenovo I've used.

Battery: My most recent laptop gets around 8-9 hours with a new battery on a normal workload, and when it drops to 3 hours, I buy a new battery.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Numberwang »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

I have not rebooted my Win10 laptop for weeks, what are you talking about?

Also, regarding XFCE on a laptop, those 20 minutes will include the time before the battery runs out right?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Osiris »

mathemagics wrote: post #47
etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Agree that it is overall an improved experience. After upgrading, I discovered that a VPN app wanted access to my Documents folder. No reason it would need that, so I simply denied it. Lo and behold, the app continues to work just fine as expected. IMO, this alone is a big reason to upgrade to Catalina.

Another issue that comes up in these scenarios is after denying to change your mind. How do you give the app access now?

It's often not straight forward and often getting in some system settings somewhere. Android has this problem.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ohazi »

trimbo wrote: post #137
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

In Microsoft's defense, at least the Windows 10 updates are now quick . Last week a minor patch for MacOS took 30 minutes on a 2019 Macbook Pro.

The four hours I spent cleaning up my dad's laptop last week beg to differ. I had enough time to make and eat dinner while it was updating, rebooting, and then cleaning up the updates. Maybe he hadn't updated in a while?

I made him a small Linux partition after clearing up enough space, and now everything runs so much faster that he refuses to boot back into Windows.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mathemagics »

Osiris wrote: post #144
mathemagics wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree that it is overall an improved experience. After upgrading, I discovered that a VPN app wanted access to my Documents folder. No reason it would need that, so I simply denied it. Lo and behold, the app continues to work just fine as expected. IMO, this alone is a big reason to upgrade to Catalina.

Another issue that comes up in these scenarios is after denying to change your mind. How do you give the app access now? It's often not straight forward and often getting in some system settings somewhere. Android has this problem.

Had the same concern, but the dialog tells you how to change it. Not only that, it'll take you directly to the correct location in system preferences, where all the apps & their permission status are listed.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by fbnlsr »

keyle wrote: post #93
iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

> should have their software designing license revoked. Dang it, I never filed for one. Hey Clippy, where do I get one of those... > Hi I'm Clippy! It looks like you're trying to make a joke. Do you need some assistance? Clippy would like permission to invade your screen after you summoned him. /s

Unrelated, are you keyle from the old demoscene days? If so nice to see you here, we haven't talked in 15 years.

- ks

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by viraptor »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Unless you buy the most recently released hardware, yeah. (For example latest ryzen has issues) Hardware and sleep pretty much works for an average consumer. Even HDR support is almost there.

"Battery" is not one thing, so can't answer. Does idle draw count as an issue? Do services you can switch on/off count as a battery issue? In comparison, does MacOS indexer out iCloud sync going crazy count as a battery issue?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by inferiorhuman »

etchalon wrote: post #133
inferiorhuman wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like deeply awful UX. Indeed, almost as bad as popping up countless dialogs per application.

Ah, yes, the tyranny of using the mechanism designed to ask a user to read and confirm something to read and confirm multiple somethings.

Ah, yes, the tyranny of using the mechanism designed to ask a user to read and confirm something to read and confirm multiple somethings.

So what's the point then? To inflict more pain?

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