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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by oconnore »

judge2020 wrote: post #86
iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

FWIW, every program looks like one that usually is set to start at startup; the intent is to have the dialogue only show up when you start an app for the first time. Since so many background apps were running at startup they all slowly needed to ask for their permissions. > create a migration UX Might not be possible if the previous MacOS isn't full-on tracking what folders a program is accessing, and it still would…

If you were ok running your previous apps you should also be ok with gathering usage data for a week before the OS attempts to do a hard cut-over to a more secure model.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by daveFNbuck »

hkai wrote: post #85
iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

But that's a one time thing. When you're doing an OS upgrade, I guess you're expecting some extra work. Your also have to reinstall xcode, update other apps etc.

I still don't know why I always have to reinstall xcode. It's very annoying.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by keyle »

iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

> should have their software designing license revoked.

Dang it, I never filed for one.

Hey Clippy, where do I get one of those...

> Hi I'm Clippy! It looks like you're trying to make a joke. Do you need some assistance?

Clippy would like permission to invade your screen after you summoned him.

/s

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by vikingcaffiene »

I've lost faith in Apple leadership. After 10 years of being a diehard, I recently jumped ship. Got myself a System 76 Oryx Pro and an Pixel 3a phone. Still working out the kinks but so far so good. The apple tax was only worth it when was the clearly superior choice. It ain't anymore.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by greggman2 »

I for one am super happy for these permission dialogs. They help me know which apps are doing what and tell them, no, you can't do that!

Going from the old model, a native app can do almost anything to the new model, a native app has to ask permission means that yes, there is a one time issue of having to give all apps the permissions you want them to have. That happens just once though on this transition. Normally it would happen once or twice a month as you install new apps.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Solvitieg »

bsder wrote: post #50
wil421 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think the hardware and software versions are getting worse? My late 2017 15 inch rMBP is a lot better than my 2011 MBP. I also like the recent releases of MacOS. Dark mode, stacks on desktop, seeing Meta data in preview, and the new screenshot tool are a few Mojave features I like. Memory compression in Mavericks was also something I feel is great. Although I never dealt with it directly as a programmer, o…

2017 may be significantly better that 2011, but it's NOT significantly better than the early 2015 Retina's. The problem Apple has is that the early-2015 Macbook Pro Retina's really hit the balance point with the physical form factor. Enough heft to feel solid without too much weight. Enough battery life to do real work. A solid set of ports: HDMI. Magsafe. USB 3.0 ports. A keyboard that doesn't break due to random mi…

I think the stagnation you're describing is not unique to Apple.

The marketplace has become much more competitive as innovation has pretty much stalled.

I'm thinking of moving back to Mac OS after being on Windows for the last six years.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dragonwriter »

pram wrote: post #74
widowlark wrote: post #42

It's crazy to me that when Microsoft does this kind of thing (via Vista), it's considered terrible but when Apple does it, the thread fills with people saying it's the best way forward.

HN didn't even exist when Vista was released.

HN was called Slashdot then.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

keyle wrote: post #93
iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

> should have their software designing license revoked. Dang it, I never filed for one. Hey Clippy, where do I get one of those... > Hi I'm Clippy! It looks like you're trying to make a joke. Do you need some assistance? Clippy would like permission to invade your screen after you summoned him. /s

Luckily, lawyers and bureaucrats don't have that much power over this industry, yet.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

geerlingguy wrote: post #12

This is kind of the same as the first time you enable Little Snitch. IMO it’s good to reveal that you’re running dozens of applications with basically full access to all your files. I’d rather give additive permissions to applications, since I’ve seen evidence time and again that security is one of the lowest priorities for most development shops. It’s annoying the first time after upgrading (I haven’t done it yet),…

You can change the default download permission from "ask" to "allow" in Safari's websites preferences.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

kbenson wrote: post #49
Yetanfou wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that, plus the fact that it was resource-heavy. This was compounded by the fact that a lot of hardware was sold as being 'Vista-ready' while in reality being incapable of running the overly-fancy graphics-heavy 'glass' shell. It also had a number of performance problems (e.g. slow file copy) which only got sorted out in Windows 7. Oh, let's not forget the fact that Vista was supposed to be Longhorn, the OS of t…

> Oh, let's not forget the fact that Vista was supposed to be Longhorn, the OS of the future with a database file system This sounded interesting when I first heard about it, long before Vista came out. Now when I see it I wonder what they were trying to do. A file system is a database, with a well understood user API. So what were they going to add? Tagging? Application level views of the system? None of t hat seems…

The point of a database is probably to index via arbitrary columns, allowing for fast lookups and filters of files. The current model is to find something you more or less have to walk the directory tree.
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