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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure why everyone glorifies basic manufacturing work like it’s the pinnacle of American labor. War requires a lot of basic manufacturing capacity, and geopolitically those aren't good things to lose.

Geopolitically, would it not be better too have a world economy that is to interdependent to support war as a viable path to resolution of differences.

You don’t always chose who goes to war with you.

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#182

SenseTime was founded by an MIT grad and has joint AI research partnership with MIT[0]. It will be interesting what this blacklist means for these kinds of collaborations. [0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-sensetime-announce-effort-adva...

But he’s also part of the controversial “Thousand Talents Program” [0] (link in Chinese) that is being closely watched by the US [1]. Not surprised at all about the blacklist.

[0] https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E6%B1%A4%E6%99%93%E9%B8%A5 [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/24/business/fbi-10...

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One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

Obama was manufacturing the pivot to Asia. The TTP would have given a lot of power to corporations to combat China. This presents its own set of problems though. Clinton was adamant that her grandchildren would not be speaking Chinese. China has been acknowledged as a threat since 2008 really, by everyone really, just, sometimes people need a very visual and visceral demonstration of action (no matter how less-optima…

> The TTP would have given a lot of power to corporations to combat China.

It would have given a lot of power to corporations, period. The same corporations that lobbied for so many anti-consumer and anti-democracy provisions, that both Trump and Sanders agreed it was awful, and ultimately caused the TPP to fail.

As for Clinton and the democrats - I wouldn't count on them to oppose China. Even after it was revealed Biden and Kerry's kids got $1 billion of Chinese investment right after their parents' diplomatic mission to China [1], they haven't denounced either. In fact, Biden is one of their presidential candidates.

[1] https://nypost.com/2018/03/15/inside-the-shady-private-equit...

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Wow, interesting to see Hikvision on this list, I own several of their cameras (and keep them isolated on a separate VLAN), but once you know them, you see them everywhere, they have a huge hold in the video surveillance market. Wonder if their main Chinese competitor, Dahua will pick up their market share in the US or if there's a more local competitor. Huawei's HiSilicon fab makes purpose built ICs for these things…

Isn't dahua a homonym for bullshit in Mandarin? ("Big talk?") I'm surprised a company would choose that name.

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#185

Has this kind of strategy ever worked, in trade negotiations? It seems about as likely to be effective as a bombing campaign: It'll reduce the other side's effectiveness, but from a negotiation perspective it'll only cause them to dig in harder.

Why do you assume this is a negotiating tactic? There is broad bipartisan support for sanctions on companies which are involved in the on going oppression of Uighur's. Just as China uses it's economic might as leverage the US is more than capable of equal if not greater leverage of it's capital markets.

Just taking Trump at his word. Wouldn't be the first time that turned out to be a mistake.

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how you manage to assign blame for the actions of a few drug dealers to an entire country.

There's basically one company making all this fentanyl. We know where it is, we know where the CEO lives. He's walking around free and in the open in China.

It seems hard to believe that the rise of fentanyl could be traced to only one company/individual - could you be more specific about the person/people you're referring to?

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#187
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So far, china has only retaliated defensively against the us. I wonder what will happen when china decides to go on the offensive the same way the us has and hit were it really hurts? What will happen if they cut off the us entirely and force asian countries to cease trading with it (i.e. using the same strategies used to isolate iran or turkey). Successful military intervention is unlikely since china is a nuclear s…

Thankfully I don't think the Chinese think they are able to institute broad sanctions on America. Classic tools that they may actually consider include: Dumping US treasuries. Making life for American companies difficult through regulations and inspections. Limiting rare earth exports. All of these have a cost on them as well (just like how most American tools on China have a cost on America), so they are careful to…

Why not? If they reach a point where they'll have their economy destroyed, I'd bet on them responding in kind.

Also, I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss their ability to suffocate the us if they no longer have an economy to lose. They're certainly in a military and geographic position to enforce a trade blockade, one way or another. If china really wanted it, I think they'd be more than able to severely limit trade between asia and the us to the point of destroying large parts of the us economy.

Since China will likely not back down, I think an economic MAD will inevitably occur if the us insists on burning the only stick it can still use.

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#188

SenseTime was founded by an MIT grad and has joint AI research partnership with MIT[0]. It will be interesting what this blacklist means for these kinds of collaborations. [0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-sensetime-announce-effort-adva...

Turkey's drone program was also led by an MIT graduate.

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/14/turkey-second-drone-age/

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#189

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

The threat from China has been existent and ignored for the past 30 years, the same 30 years that China rose from 3rd world country to the superpower it is today. The change in attitude began with Trump. He was to first president to bring the threat of China to the mainstream political discourse. Since then, China is so objectively a threat to the U.S. economically, militarily and through their direct actions of mani…

> although they have calmed down from the high tensions of year or 2 ago

What specifically looks more peaceful now?

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#190
post #108

Human rights? How about the cruel family/child separation camps at our southern border?

" Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Eschew critical inquiry and label everything you don’t agree with as flamebait.

If Paul Graham’s/Yc’s Hacker News was a country, it would be the worst country the works ever known. So don’t pick on evil China when you yourselves can’t distinguish right from wrong even if your lives depended on it. Pfft.

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