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Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by crispinb »

sdegutis wrote: post #125
crispinb wrote: post #121

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> There is an overabundant proof that the Catholic Church's teachings are true. Most people clearly don't accept this. Which leads us to: > The only reason people do not believe is because they do not want to What's your evidence for this? It's certainly counter to most non-Catholics' own statements. So they're either lying or deceiving themselves. Each option would need extremely strong evidence for a reasonable per…

Logic can get us very far. Socrates was martyred because he taught that there is only one God, and there is objective morality that we must follow to be with God. He reached these conclusions by logic alone. But Divine Revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of human understanding and our perfection. Jesus crucified and resurrected is the start of this, because nothing any wise teacher or religious founder says m…

Oh dear. Because my fairly comprehensive skepticism on metaphysical claims applies as much to hubristic scientistic materialism as any other, I tend to be a defender of religious believers possibly holding their views rationally. But they do usually disappoint me.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by sdegutis »

faissaloo wrote: post #130
sdegutis wrote: post #127

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I am glad to find another religious person here! Think and pray more about Jesus and you will discover that he would not have allowed anyone to take his place, because as he said, "My soul is trouble, but what shall I say, 'Father save me from this hour?' No I tell you, for this purpose I have come to this hour." He would never escape it, and he would not allow anyone to take anyone from it.

My worship is directed towards God alone and we were given the Qur'an to clarify these matters among other things, read here if you'd like to understand the Islamic view of the crucifixion: https://quran.com/4/157-167

Thank you friend for that perspective. I have read the Islamic perspective of these matters. We Christians also worship God alone, we have that in common with you. We just believe that Jesus was truly God, while being the Son of God also. This is why king David speaking by the Holy Spirit says "the Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand," calling his descendent Lord. This is the Trinity and we admit it is a great Mystery that we cannot ever fully comprehend. But our belief in this is founded on the Resurrection. How could over so many people, many of them who followed Jesus for 3 years straight, including his own mother, confuse Jesus with someone else? And more to the point, how could Jesus show up to all of these same people, totally over 500 people, with holes in his hands and feet and side, and them still believe he was crucified and yet glorified, if he wasn't both?

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by sdegutis »

ozzmotik wrote: post #129
sdegutis wrote: post #124

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Look around you. Nobody is truly happy in life that you've ever met. Not consistently, not genuinely happy. When hard times come, most people buckle. The only people were the Saints. They were happy even during suffering . This is the power of Jesus. Like you said, many people pretend to be happy but are not. The Saints truly are. And as if that wasn't enough testimony of Jesus's resurrection, consider the many mirac…

i personally never said anything about being happy. I said pretending to have a better life. just for what it's worth, i don't think that happiness = a better life. if anything, being a slave to happiness is just another mundane chemical attachment that we all allow to control our lives. i get that most people want to be happy and it's easier to convince other people to believe you it you can point to something and s…

> if anything, being a slave to happiness is just another mundane chemical attachment that we all allow to control our lives.

You confuse happiness with comfort and pleasure. This happens to people who have never experienced true happiness. You can't describe color to someone who's blind.

> as far as miracles, im sorry but I don't believe in magic spells and third party attestations as to their veracity. humans will see and believe what they want to see and believe. and they will do whatever they can to maintain a consistent worldview, even if that means discarding a rational explanation for what happened.

You don't want to believe. That is why you don't believe in facts that are attested to independently by competent medical professionals under oath.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by sdegutis »

crispinb wrote: post #131
sdegutis wrote: post #125

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Logic can get us very far. Socrates was martyred because he taught that there is only one God, and there is objective morality that we must follow to be with God. He reached these conclusions by logic alone. But Divine Revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of human understanding and our perfection. Jesus crucified and resurrected is the start of this, because nothing any wise teacher or religious founder says m…

Oh dear. Because my fairly comprehensive skepticism on metaphysical claims applies as much to hubristic scientistic materialism as any other, I tend to be a defender of religious believers possibly holding their views rationally. But they do usually disappoint me.

You seem like a very logical and intelligent person who values truth. So I encourage you to investigate these things yourself. Because they are all true.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by rjurney »

tomhoward wrote: post #100
rjurney wrote: post #95

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Modern medicine!

The root commenter didn't claim anything that your earlier comment contradicted. They just explained that they found a correlation between diet and pain (along with other physiological symptoms). Nobody said anything that excluded the notion that the pain was a symptom of an illness. Indeed, when is pain ever not a symptom of illness or injury?

Chronic pain is an illness in and of itself. That's the point, he doesn't know anything about it and he's advocating a random experiment he ran.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by rjurney »

Smoosh wrote: post #101
rjurney wrote: post #96

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No, I read science myself. I’ve read hundreds of journal articles. I know the condition. I read pharmacology textbooks. You’re espousing hippiedom and it’s top comment because of left wing ignorance.

> left wing ignorance Please don't be that guy.

A leftie disgusted by the ignorance of the left?

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by rjurney »

cpncrunch wrote: post #111
rjurney wrote: post #50

Acute pain is a symptom. Chronic pain is a disease. Most chronic pain is not directly connected with a root cause. Spinal MRIs for example are poor predictors of spinal pain. It is an upmodulation of pain sensation in the peripheral nervous system/brain stem. It isn't mental and it isn't psychosomatic - it is very real. And you can't just ignore it - although there are techniques in pain psychology that help. This is…

Psychosomatic == real. If your heart rate increases when you are frightened, is that imaginary? While some research shows changes in the brainstem, fMRI shows differences in blood flow in various parts of the brain associated with processing emotions. Right now we don't have a definitive answer as to what causes chronic pain. But we do know for certain that the parts of the brain dealing with pain are also involved i…

Chronic pain is not psychosomatic. That has nothing to do with chronic pain. People like to blame the patient, that they're not trying hard enough to will their way through it... like you do through any other challenge. That is a really harmful attitude. You mean well, but you're hurting the people you treat this way. You should educate yourself about what chronic pain is if you want to be inspirational rather than causing harm. A chronic pain patient can't psych themselves out and not hurt. There are some techniques in pain psychology that help a bit, like mindfulness techniques or imagining the pain tingles but doesn't hurt, but they're only somewhat effective and that is as good as it gets in terms of psychology.

Re: Will there ever be a cure for chronic pain?

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Post by _ywdj »

rjurney wrote: post #136
tomhoward wrote: post #100

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The root commenter didn't claim anything that your earlier comment contradicted. They just explained that they found a correlation between diet and pain (along with other physiological symptoms). Nobody said anything that excluded the notion that the pain was a symptom of an illness. Indeed, when is pain ever not a symptom of illness or injury?

Chronic pain is an illness in and of itself. That's the point, he doesn't know anything about it and he's advocating a random experiment he ran.

Please point to the research paper(s) that document "chronic pain" as a condition experienced by people who are otherwise perfectly healthy.

I've had (and to some degree still have) the condition I think you're talking about. I've had pain in various parts of my body for 15+ years, and it's been difficult to isolate a cause. But there is a cause, and now it's been found, it's being treated, and the condition is subsiding.

And yes, avoiding sugar/alcohol/gluten/dairy (along with other known inflammatory food ingredients) has been a part - though not all - of my treatment.

This is not some "random experiment"; it's an approach that has been widely tested and is advocated by many practitioners, including conventional physicians.

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