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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Crontab »

Gaelan wrote: post #27

You know, this is a pretty apt analogy. Vista (apparently) was considered terrible primarily because it ripped off the band-aid and made a bunch of inconvenient but important-for-security-in-the-long-term changes. [0] [0]: https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/85185740489147187...

I remember friends bitching about Vista's UAC prompts but I never really had an issue with it. I suspect that was because their main experience was with Windows XP, which pretty much did everything with admin rights.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by widowlark »

It's crazy to me that when Microsoft does this kind of thing (via Vista), it's considered terrible but when Apple does it, the thread fills with people saying it's the best way forward.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ilumanty »

geerlingguy wrote: post #12

This is kind of the same as the first time you enable Little Snitch. IMO it’s good to reveal that you’re running dozens of applications with basically full access to all your files. I’d rather give additive permissions to applications, since I’ve seen evidence time and again that security is one of the lowest priorities for most development shops. It’s annoying the first time after upgrading (I haven’t done it yet),…

Using Little Snitch is an explicit choice. It would be weird of Apple to assume that users want to see all those messages and peek into the clockwork at the first occasion.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by proverbialbunny »

moreorless wrote: post #36

This reminds me of WindowsRG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbEYOaO9kp4

Since I was quite young I'd play pranks using a computer. I switched the Mac Classic bootup picture with a bomb, causing my father to freak out. I gave my grandparents a free cupholder out of their cd rom drive they used for years. A decade later they were still thanking me for the upgrade.

I then once pulled up winrg.swf and fullscreened it. I told my grandmother I had upgraded her computer for her. She took a look at it for about 15 seconds then started crying.

Since then I've been a bit more cautious. Windows Really Good edition is still pretty great though.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by saagarjha »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #26

At least for me, there's really no good reason to upgrade to Catalina. Most of the new "features" are things that I can't or won't use (e.g. desktop Siri). However Catalina causes a lot of problems with things that I do care about (32 bit apps, hardware drivers)

> Most of the new "features" are things that I can't or won't use (e.g. desktop Siri).

That was launched alongside macOS Sierra.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Rebelgecko »

saagarjha wrote: post #45
Rebelgecko wrote: post #26

At least for me, there's really no good reason to upgrade to Catalina. Most of the new "features" are things that I can't or won't use (e.g. desktop Siri). However Catalina causes a lot of problems with things that I do care about (32 bit apps, hardware drivers)

> Most of the new "features" are things that I can't or won't use (e.g. desktop Siri). That was launched alongside macOS Sierra.

I was referring to this[1], which I suppose is branded as an accessibility feature and not part of Siri

[1]: https://www.apple.com/macos/catalina/docs/Voice_Control_Tech...

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mathemagics »

etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Agree that it is overall an improved experience. After upgrading, I discovered that a VPN app wanted access to my Documents folder. No reason it would need that, so I simply denied it. Lo and behold, the app continues to work just fine as expected. IMO, this alone is a big reason to upgrade to Catalina.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by nikanj »

yowlingcat wrote: post #8

Very sad to agree with this entire post. I hate to essentialize it to an already checked and problematic mythology of Jobs-Ives, but it seems like all of the air left the sails after Jobs passed. The OS versions are getting unreservedly worse, likewise with the hardware -- it's active regression rather than stagnation. When it comes to having a quality laptop and OS to get work done, I would at least be happy with st…

What really irks me is the touchbar. It's never going away, not because people like it, but because so many would lose face if they admitted it was a bad idea.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by kbenson »

Yetanfou wrote: post #34
Gaelan wrote: post #27

You know, this is a pretty apt analogy. Vista (apparently) was considered terrible primarily because it ripped off the band-aid and made a bunch of inconvenient but important-for-security-in-the-long-term changes. [0] [0]: https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/85185740489147187...

Well, that, plus the fact that it was resource-heavy. This was compounded by the fact that a lot of hardware was sold as being 'Vista-ready' while in reality being incapable of running the overly-fancy graphics-heavy 'glass' shell. It also had a number of performance problems (e.g. slow file copy) which only got sorted out in Windows 7. Oh, let's not forget the fact that Vista was supposed to be Longhorn, the OS of t…

> Oh, let's not forget the fact that Vista was supposed to be Longhorn, the OS of the future with a database file system

This sounded interesting when I first heard about it, long before Vista came out. Now when I see it I wonder what they were trying to do. A file system is a database, with a well understood user API. So what were they going to add? Tagging? Application level views of the system? None of t hat seems like something that would require anything more than an extension that handled additional metadata.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by bsder »

wil421 wrote: post #17
yowlingcat wrote: post #8

Very sad to agree with this entire post. I hate to essentialize it to an already checked and problematic mythology of Jobs-Ives, but it seems like all of the air left the sails after Jobs passed. The OS versions are getting unreservedly worse, likewise with the hardware -- it's active regression rather than stagnation. When it comes to having a quality laptop and OS to get work done, I would at least be happy with st…

Why do you think the hardware and software versions are getting worse? My late 2017 15 inch rMBP is a lot better than my 2011 MBP. I also like the recent releases of MacOS. Dark mode, stacks on desktop, seeing Meta data in preview, and the new screenshot tool are a few Mojave features I like. Memory compression in Mavericks was also something I feel is great. Although I never dealt with it directly as a programmer, o…

2017 may be significantly better that 2011, but it's NOT significantly better than the early 2015 Retina's.

The problem Apple has is that the early-2015 Macbook Pro Retina's really hit the balance point with the physical form factor. Enough heft to feel solid without too much weight. Enough battery life to do real work. A solid set of ports: HDMI. Magsafe. USB 3.0 ports. A keyboard that doesn't break due to random micron-sized dust particles.

So, a LOT of people want a 2015 Macbook Pro but with ONLY the tweaks to bring it forward to 2019 technically (memory, CPU, display, change to the two Thunderbolt 2 connectors to USB-C Thunderbolt 3) while leaving it in 2015 physically.

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