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Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by frisco » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

justsomeone88 wrote: post #10

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

No. All the excess protein you likely consumed has actually increased your risk of cancer significantly.

This statement isn't supported by any real evidence. In fact, a lot of actual research supports the idea of keto for improving outcomes in some types of cancer.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by surge » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

justsomeone88 wrote: post #10

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

No. All the excess protein you likely consumed has actually increased your risk of cancer significantly.

Ketogenic diets limit protein too, since your body can process protein and turn it into glucose. I don't know what you're talking about when you say excess given its a high fat, low protein, and very low carbohydrate diet.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by emptybits » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

The very next sentence in the article answers your question, doesn't it?

> "If you do not consume enough carbohydrates in your diet, your body will synthesize the glucose you need."

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by molmalo » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:02 PM UTC

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

It's addressed here:

>If you do not consume enough carbohydrates in your diet, your body will synthesize the glucose you need.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by lukifer » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:05 PM UTC

abledon wrote: post #18

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

I wonder if occasional long term fasts can reduce your cancer risk.

Yes. Do a fast at the start of Spring & Fall. I always respected the religions that observed some sort of fast, as it was a cool way they encoded health & longevity into their population.

Perhaps a good rule of thumb: any time a significant number of worldwide religions independently converge on a single practice/idea, there may be something of value there worth porting to the secular world (see also: the sabbath, and the "golden rule").

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by caenorst » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:09 PM UTC

justsomeone88 wrote: post #13

dplgk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

When did Youtube videos started to be reference source ? I can't find any academic references on her work despite her putting "Ph.D" title after her name on every plateform existing.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by lukifer » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:10 PM UTC

randaouser wrote: post #8

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

I wonder if occasional long term fasts can reduce your cancer risk.

To reach a ketogenic state, the term fast from a clinical sense required 24-36 hour period without any caloric intake; strictly water. I have done 3 day water fasts, the hunger waves need to be controlled the first 2 days, but the feeling is gone after that point. There are many things to consider, including refeeding syndrome, it is highly advised to seek MD advice prior to undertaking such a diet. Lastly, there is…

One thing that surprised me when water fasting was that while the hunger went away on the second day (starting in ketosis helps), I found myself still craving the reward and ritual of meals. Lunchtime arrived, and I missed the excuse to take a break from life/obligations and indulge in the enjoyable process of eating, independently from satiating hunger. I think when I do it again, I'll find some non-consuming activities to fill that void.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by itchyouch » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:14 PM UTC

spacephysics wrote: post #7

A carnivorous diet (meat only, zero carbs) would accomplish the same without the pharmacological drawback. Been on the diet for over a year and have never felt better in my life.

with protein only, the protein goes through gluconeogensis and the protein is converted into glucose, whereas in keto, the fat is used as fat...

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by koboll » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:16 PM UTC

spacephysics wrote: post #7

A carnivorous diet (meat only, zero carbs) would accomplish the same without the pharmacological drawback. Been on the diet for over a year and have never felt better in my life.

Wouldn't this drug basically enable you to get the same benefits as someone on a low/no-carb diet even if you aren't?

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by DiabloD3 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 11:18 PM UTC

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

I wonder if occasional long term fasts can reduce your cancer risk.

The use of carb and glutamine restriction (see the work of Dr Thomas Seyfried) to boost the effectiveness of cancer treatments was modeled after fasting-mimicking diets. Essentially, Seyfried's work is basically that diet, but in a pill.

Actual long term fasting (ie, 3-5 day hardcore mode shit) allows the body to maximize autophagy to kill off damaged cells. The western diet of 3 square meals a day and keeping insulin levels alarmingly high (which both frequent and carb-laden diets promote) stops autophagy (for safety reasons; you don't want to accidentally attack cells doing their tasks to absorb and utilize nutrients).

So yeah, given what is known about cancer today, I personally eat keto omad (one meal a day intermittent fasting) within a 4 hour window every day, and periodically fast on top of that.