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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by onepointsixC »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #85

Has this kind of strategy ever worked, in trade negotiations? It seems about as likely to be effective as a bombing campaign: It'll reduce the other side's effectiveness, but from a negotiation perspective it'll only cause them to dig in harder.

Why do you assume this is a negotiating tactic? There is broad bipartisan support for sanctions on companies which are involved in the on going oppression of Uighur's. Just as China uses it's economic might as leverage the US is more than capable of equal if not greater leverage of it's capital markets.

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Post by saltking112 »

knowledge102 wrote: post #88
saltking112 wrote: post #3

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

The threat from China has been existent and ignored for the past 30 years, the same 30 years that China rose from 3rd world country to the superpower it is today. The change in attitude began with Trump. He was to first president to bring the threat of China to the mainstream political discourse. Since then, China is so objectively a threat to the U.S. economically, militarily and through their direct actions of mani…

Thank you. Can you recommend some books on the subject? Or related subjects ?

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Post by trhway »

if US wants to put pressure on and punish China, then instead of shooting itself in the foot and everywhere else with tariffs US could have just offered say 10K Green Cards (each coming with $1M resettlement bonus) to the top China researchers&engineers in any industry in China that US would want to cripple as a punishment. At $1M per such a top head it would be a steal for US, and for China it would be a very painful damage. Rinse and repeat ... (Such a solution comes to my mind as result of observing of pitiful state of Russia resulting from the brain-drain (immigration as well as just tech heads switching away into business/etc) it suffered especially during 199x)

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Post by phyek »

the_gastropod wrote: post #75
scohesc wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should probably look yourself. From what I've been reading from financial postings, the Trump administration has done many good things for the stock market (for the people however is a different story) Usually whoever keeps the economy going and doesn't harm it in anyway gets re-elected for a second term.

Please.. just go look. Since his inauguration, the S&P500 is up 27.37%. At this point during Obama's first term, the S&P500 was up 65.19%. Apples and oranges, true. Let's look at the preceding 46 months before Trump's inauguration. Over that time, the market rose 26.69%. Anyone pretending the market under Trump is anything but "normal" is participating in partisan hackery. Don't do it.

The market hasn't gone anywhere in the last year. The first 1-2 years was helped by massive tax cuts implemented by Trump which juiced corporate earnings.

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Post by cthalupa »

rpmisms wrote: post #44
Judgmentality wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

538, admittedly at the end, gave him a 29% chance of victory. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gav...

Yes, I'm talking about the beginning of election day. I'm not claiming malice on the part of any pollsters, simply a tactic their models didn't account for.

538 consistently gave Trump a realistic shot at winning.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

You can see their chance of winning history in a line graph. October has a significant dip, to be sure, but it had recovered by November back to the ~30% it ultimately stayed at. Their 'polls plus' model also never dipped quite as far as the polls only model.

Regardless, the initial comment was he 'easily' has 4 more years in him. Except now he's facing impeachment, has Republican allies breaking ranks, a long list of unfulfilled campaign promises, big name televangelists saying he's in danger of losing "the mandate of heaven", more and more evidence coming out about Russian interference in the election, and facing a party that knows it must focus on states that it largely ignored. Trump won in several states with fewer votes than Romney lost with - the Democrats aren't going to ignore those states again. The Russians are unlikely to be as effective again.

I'm not saying he's going to lose - I could very well see him winning - but acting as if it is an easy thing is absolutely nuts. In a lot of ways it is a significantly worse landscape for him, with lots more room for it to get even worse.

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Post by dang »

derision wrote: post #5

Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21196261 and marked it off-topic.

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Post by neonate »

onepointsixC wrote: post #99
phyek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Clearly a negotiation tactic. I expect nothing material to come out of the upcoming meeting. I work in public equities and this has been such an ongoing headache... anyone remember when a full deal was supposed to get done by end of March 2019? What a joke...

And what, making a Uyghur American the National Security Council's China director also a negotiation tactic? Anyone in equities who believes that there will be a deal isn't paying attention.

phyek just said "I expect nothing material", so obviously is not expecting a deal.

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Post by dang »

yamato2022 wrote: post #22

Human rights? How about the cruel family/child separation camps at our southern border?

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

mdorazio wrote: post #25
yamato2022 wrote: post #22

Human rights? How about the cruel family/child separation camps at our southern border?

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Please keep this tedious trope off HN.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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Post by dang »

avocado4 wrote: post #51
yamato2022 wrote: post #22

Human rights? How about the cruel family/child separation camps at our southern border?

> "our" Southern border Account registered 10 days ago posting in political threads.

Hounding another user like this is a step into personal attack and breaks the site guidelines. The damage of bullying away a legit new user is much worse than the appearance of yet another political troll account, even if that's what this one was.

It's obviously not, though, as you'd have seen for yourself if you'd read https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yamato2022 and, for example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21133023.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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