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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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It's not much of a dilemma though, is it? Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. US companies should stop targeting China for growth. If they don't steal your IP completely, they'll eventually freeze you out like they just did the NBA. It's happened to many companies and will eventually happen to you too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Sun Tzu said that the supreme excellence consists of defeating your enemy without fighting.

Guess what, we are ruled from Beijing now.

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As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

Let's look at some large scale political action in the past: 1. Invade Iraq. 4000+ Americans dead, over 1 million Iraqi died. 2. Bombed Libya, it is now a $democratic_wonderland. I'm not putting Afghanistan here because I think it's justified, but then why are we still there after Bin Laden's dead? How about just minding our own business. If China don't want to watch NBA, then so be it. If you don't want to buy shit…

he said political, not military

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

Let's look at some large scale political action in the past: 1. Invade Iraq. 4000+ Americans dead, over 1 million Iraqi died. 2. Bombed Libya, it is now a $democratic_wonderland. I'm not putting Afghanistan here because I think it's justified, but then why are we still there after Bin Laden's dead? How about just minding our own business. If China don't want to watch NBA, then so be it. If you don't want to buy shit…

> How about just minding our own business

A foreign country telling Americans what they can and cannot say very much is my business.

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post #92

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As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

Yes because I’m sure you know what's best for billions of Chinese. They must be all dying to overthrow their government. Your rhetoric is naive at best and racist at worst. It’s racist because you are disenfranchising the potential voice and sovereignty of a whole ethnicity and country because private interests in your own country can’t get their way over there. The hong kong protestors have started getting their way…

It's weird to hear you describe Xi Jinping's dictatorship as the voice and sovereignty of the people.

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>calling Hong Kong protesters “separatists”, etc. Devil's advocate here...Are they not separatist? If not, shouldn't they be? It's hard to imagine your "country" working on a death clock. In 2047 it all ends. So, what is the point of fighting the good fight at this point? Why not face the inevitable and leave while you can? Or fight for a final independence now, while you can?

Well, they have five demands and the most "radical" of them is being able to vote for your own representatives. Being represented in your own government is a far cry from being a separatist. Most separatists are probably protestors, but that does not imply most protestors are separatists.

the most radical part about them isn't their formal demands, it's viciously assaulting pedestrians while screaming slurs

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"Self-made" is almost always a misnomer because there's a point very early in the process of accruing wealth where you use it to bootstrap its own operations, i.e., you start paying other people for their output to collect a net profit. At that point, "self-made" no longer applies because now other people are involved. At what point that transition happens determines how "self-made" they are, but no one is ever 100%…

> you start paying other people for their output to collect a net profit Didn't realize it was that easy. Why doesn't everyone just do this one little trick?

That's literally what everyone does. It's called "investment".

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>> "... kowtowing to fascists ..." "Fascists" is probably not a good description of the Chinese Communist Party, since Fascism is widely regarded as always and everywhere the diametric opposite/enemy of Communism and Communists. Examples of this include [0] and [1] and [2] and [3], which are the results of me googling "is fascism the enemy of communism?" for 5 seconds. Probably you mean "Totalitarians" or "Statists"…

It's difficult to take a look at modern China and call it communist with a straight face.

Communism is a utopian ideology from the 19th century. That doesn't mean communists don't exist, and the people who advocate that ideology aren't communists. Of course China isn't a communist society. Nowhere is or ever will be.

It's a bit like saying Tom Cruise isn't a real scientologist because Xenu doesn't exist.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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post #38

It's not much of a dilemma though, is it? Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. US companies should stop targeting China for growth. If they don't steal your IP completely, they'll eventually freeze you out like they just did the NBA. It's happened to many companies and will eventually happen to you too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. Most NBA team owners are already billionaires. I believe most of them are self-made and have signed the giving pledge, meaning they will donate much of their wealth to charities at or before their death. If anyone can afford to take a stand, it would seem to be them.

> I believe most of them are self-made and have signed the giving pledge

Why do you believe this? As far as I can tell Dan Gilbert is the only one I see on that list.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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I find it interesting that there isn't a Boycott / Divest / Sanctions movement for China, despite the human rights abuses they've always committed, in addition to more recently holding people in concentration camps. Surely their offenses are far more egregious than Israel's? Where's the movement for Hong Kong, for the Uighur? Does anyone know of such an effort?

I'm surprised also. I found an app called Buycott today which has an interesting approach. It seems focused more on boycotting companies than nation states. Going to try it anyway and also look into the API.

https://www.buycott.com/

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

#250
Didn't China say they are willing to open their market more.

So, I think this proves that nothing changes. I'd be supprised that any TV-channel could show a Winnie the Pooh figure ever again.

It's like one big kindergarden, but for >1 billion people.

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