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Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Clearly someone who "once handrolled his own html code and then uploaded it using UNIX commands" is simply too Awesome for Facebook.

Well he was apparently doing that in 1993... What did you build on the web in 1993? NCSA Mosaic had literally just come out.

I'm thinking the person you replied to knows a thing or two about "Awesome" on the web. I'm not sure he was old enough to have done much on or off the web in 1993.

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Facebook is not made for smart people. It's not made for the readers of Hacker News, this guy's blog, or even the throngs on Reddit. It's made for everyone else. I work in a place with some people who will work/have worked minimum wage jobs their whole life (not that there's anything wrong with that). But these same people are on the internet all the time, and you know what they do? Check facebook. Facebook chat. Loo…

is not made for smart people

I strongly disagree with this. I might read HN and reddit for programming stories all day long but I still find Facebook immensely useful for keeping in contact with friends and contacts. I don't see at all how these things are mutually exclusive.

It's made for people who want to connect to other people. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Clearly someone who "once handrolled his own html code and then uploaded it using UNIX commands" is simply too Awesome for Facebook.

Yes, that line came off as egotistical posturing. We got it. But I don't like that your snarky quip--which distorts the fact that the author continues to use facebook out of a sense of social obligation, and which I don't think adds much to the discussion--is the most upvoted comment here. Sure, you can be cynical and mock the guy, but I'd rather see you address his arguments. I'm not so much annoyed that you took th…

See, parent and those who agree with him don't think this article adds much to any discussion either. If you don't enjoy finding out what your friends are up to, fine, introverts aren't exactly the world's latest discovery. Author probably carries his phone out of a sense of social obligation too. Can we get over this elitist Facebashing and move on, please?

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Facebook is not made for smart people. It's not made for the readers of Hacker News, this guy's blog, or even the throngs on Reddit. It's made for everyone else. I work in a place with some people who will work/have worked minimum wage jobs their whole life (not that there's anything wrong with that). But these same people are on the internet all the time, and you know what they do? Check facebook. Facebook chat. Loo…

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Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Well he was apparently doing that in 1993... What did you build on the web in 1993? NCSA Mosaic had literally just come out.

I was 7. I probably built something with Lego that was way cooler than a website.

You can continue that legacy with the open source 3D printing movement that's growing, and potentially continue building things that are way cooler than most web sites.

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Clearly someone who "once handrolled his own html code and then uploaded it using UNIX commands" is simply too Awesome for Facebook.

He's basically saying he has hipster tastes in technology, and while those tastes may not be strictly superior to any others---they're his, and they make him an unhappy consumer on Facebook.

Don't dislike him because he likes vanilla whereas everyone else likes raspberry.

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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I can see what FB does right - identity and other apis are good, but the site itself has very poor usability, unfortunately. Author's point - that you usually have no idea where your message goes and who can see it - is one thing that makes me limit it's usage to a minimum. And the very valid observation that FB wall is usually cluttered with senseless status updates and stupid game events from an otherwise intellige…

What, are you serious? Since 90% of my non-techie friends can figure out who's going to see what you write in walls, messages and photo comments, I'm pretty devastated to hear that 5 HN users find it a challenge.

I think your non-techie friends are just assuming that the folks that they want to see what they write, will, and those they don't want to see what they write, won't. And, mostly, they're right.

The biggest problem, for me, is that who can see these things is not up to only those involved in the conversation. It hardly even matters what the exact effect is of the rules currently in place, since they could change at any time. The rules on who can see my email inbox don't change. (I think this was what really upset people about Google Buzz: suddenly the rules around who could see what changed, making everyone on gmail who cares about that sort of thing insecure about their own email.)

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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I haven't used Bcc many times but generally Facebook messages seem all phony to me. It doesn't seem to be a real conversation; I don't "own" the messages the same way I do when I use a real email program. Even gmail offers me tools to work with the messages themselves: on Facebook there's very little I can do with the messages. Basically I can just reply or delete the thread: exactly the same options that I have with…

Er, what else would you want to do to the message? Or, to put it another way, what else do you think normal people do with the messages? 99.9% reply or delete. Perfect.

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Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Clearly someone who "once handrolled his own html code and then uploaded it using UNIX commands" is simply too Awesome for Facebook.

I send all my mail through raw, unadulterated, hand-typed SMTP. I compute mime attachments on my TI-85 and type them in on my clicky keyboard. I've taught my parrot to simulate the first 8 seconds of a fax machine handshake, and yet, without facebook, nobody would know!

Parent comment deserves more votes.

A true badass send his emails using a telnet connection to the smtp server.

Bonus points for using a HP-48GX instead of a TI-85.

Re: Facebook is what happens to the Web when you hit it with the stupid stick

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Er, what else would you want to do to the message? Or, to put it another way, what else do you think normal people do with the messages? 99.9% reply or delete. Perfect.

Forward? Add someone else to the thread?

You can do both with the new FB messages.
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