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After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

liuliu wrote: post #84

Interesting. To my knowledge, South Park was never imported into China. Maybe I am outdated, when it is imported to China?

This is not about it officially airing on Chinese TV, it’s about blocking it entirely from the whole of the Chinese Internet. You can’t even search for “South Park” and get any search results, not just on video sharing sites but on web search and social media sites as well. There’s another discussion on hacker news today that goes in the more details, it’s pretty scary the extent to which the Chinese government can wipe an entire topic off their corner of the internet. And with centralized chat systems like WeChat, your messages won’t go through either if they catch censorship algorithms. This effectively allows them to limit conversation about topics, which greatly hampers the Streisand effect everyone else is alluding to.

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Post by LocalH »

undersuit wrote: post #119
thrower123 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China right now is national socialism like Hitler could only dream of implementing. It is eerie how directly parallel developments are, and how little this is remarked.

Hitler implemented "National Socialism." Hitler may try to argue that it is 'national socialism', but all fascists will lie to your face if it can empower them. >The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism" The Nazis got to define National Socialism as they liked, even if the meaning drifted slightly from what you could consider a national socialist ideology.…

They also defined the swastika as they liked, despite centuries of prior use, and they won that one.

Really surprised the inconsistency survives, tbh

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by liuliu »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #141
liuliu wrote: post #84

Interesting. To my knowledge, South Park was never imported into China. Maybe I am outdated, when it is imported to China?

This is not about it officially airing on Chinese TV, it’s about blocking it entirely from the whole of the Chinese Internet. You can’t even search for “South Park” and get any search results, not just on video sharing sites but on web search and social media sites as well. There’s another discussion on hacker news today that goes in the more details, it’s pretty scary the extent to which the Chinese government can w…

I just surprised it wasn't already years ago, given South Park's nothing-is-safe free-pass in The States which we loved.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

jerf wrote: post #118
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #105

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Being the weaker party in a negotiation is a new role for US, we'll get used to it...

Well, one of the developments of the last six months has been to put a lot of pinpricks in the idea that China is an inevitably rising world superpower that will inevitably supplant the US in the near future. I wouldn't say that's off the table entirely, but it's looking a lot more evitable.

What we believe as American consumers and what is economically true are two different sometimes contradictory stories.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by undersuit »

LocalH wrote: post #142
undersuit wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler implemented "National Socialism." Hitler may try to argue that it is 'national socialism', but all fascists will lie to your face if it can empower them. >The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism" The Nazis got to define National Socialism as they liked, even if the meaning drifted slightly from what you could consider a national socialist ideology.…

They also defined the swastika as they liked, despite centuries of prior use, and they won that one. Really surprised the inconsistency survives, tbh

Ehh what are you going to do? It's not like people spray painting swastikas really care that it's badly drawn or the other uses of the swastika.

They "won" only in the sense that I'm 99.99999% certain when I see a white man drawing a swastika on the wall he's not wishing people luck and well-being.

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Post by sodosopa »

dfxm12 wrote: post #113
miles wrote: post #112

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No need to take anything South Park does personally; they do a great job of making fun of just about everyone ("Team America" perhaps being a prime example). The "vegetarians are weak" meme will slowly die as more amateur and professional athletes (including MMA champions, Olympians, and even the guy who coined "You hit like a vegetarian") jump on the plant-based wagon: https://gamechangersmovie.com/#trailer

I don't know why you think I'm taking anything personally. I'm certainly not a vegetarian. That was the first example of South Park punching down I thought of. Like I said, South Park does make fun of everyone. That's explicitly not always speaking truth to power, like the parent poster is claiming. And I agree with the grandparent post that we shouldn't look to South Park as a moral compass.

Their main philosophy is “If you can’t laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?”

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Post by sodosopa »

davvolun wrote: post #71
wpasc wrote: post #58

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I don't know that I agree with your sentiment. Irreverent comedians who have achieved significant success and not really accountable to anyone are perfectly positioned to "tell it like it is" and may be the best individuals to do so. I'm glad our society embraces and can cultivate such individuals especially in this time of cancel culture.

You had me until "cancel culture" Exactly how many irreverent comedians who achieved significant success and are not really accountable to anyone, telling it like it is, have been cancelled by the cancel culture? Cosby, TJ Miller, Louis CK, Jeffrey Tambor, James Franco, ...? A good list of people who did morally reprehensible things of varying degrees, from illegal to merely opening their employers to civil liability…

If you didn’t finish Chapelle’s most recent bit, you missed what the piece was about.

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Post by DuskStar »

kentrado wrote: post #139
DuskStar wrote: post #129

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No, but by your standards 'Socialist' describes Nazi Germany approximately as well as it does China.

I think you are misunderstanding what I said.

> Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace.

> What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government.

In other words, China is not Socialist. Presumably, neither was the National Socialist German Workers Party while it was in control of the country.

The question then becomes, why is this relevant. Why say "that's not true Socialism!" in response to someone comparing Nazi Germany with China, when neither was Socialist?

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Post by swebs »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #130
throw51319 wrote: post #49

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China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

China does not pollute more per capita. US has a commanding lead there.

But they produce twice the total emissions which is what affects the climate. And it seems to be growing at an alarming rate, while US emissions seem to be level or shrinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

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