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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree they’re spot on, it’s not like this is a new issue.

true. blizzard has even done this with world of warcraft back in the day. to launch it in china they had to remove all skeleton models

Which is quite frankly bizarre has there ever been a rational argument put forward as to why skeleton are so tabu.

This would be like the USA demanding all mentions and images of Jiangshi - The hopping zombie/vampire undead where removed.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#872

I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

I don't think it needs to be a moral authority, it can just be an index of well defined problems to lists of the top couple actors responsible for those problems. Such an organization need not say that you should boycott anything (i.e. be a moral authority) but instead can say that IF you think that American companies participating in the Chinese censorship machine regarding Hong Kong is bad THEN boycotting companies…

What you describe is something that holds itself out as a moral authority.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#873
post #868

If you have a Blizzard account and want to cancel your account, you can do that here: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/2659

What’s hilarious is that deletion of account might require government issued photo ID. The last step for me to stop doing business with a bad actor is by giving up my privacy.

I tried deleting my account just now and was prompted with a screen asking for it. "Might" might well be an understatement.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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post #477

Interesting how an incidence in gaming garner more eye balls on the topic of Hong Kong politics than whole month combined. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Good for the people of Hong Kong. The topic of Hong Kong didn't struck me as sensational/desperate as it deserves until a Hong Kong friend send me this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yXTHODE24Q Am moved by the clip, especial…

In the video at mark 01:16 https://youtu.be/0yXTHODE24Q?t=84 there is a quote about "non-believers". Does the chinese government have anything against atheists in their policies ? To my knowledge chinese government does not interfere in personal religious beliefs.

> To my knowledge chinese government does not interfere in personal religious beliefs.

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The Chinese government spent 1966 to 1976 violently destroying churches and holy sites of all religions and imprisoning, torturing, and killing priests and worshipers.

Since then they've officially embraced freedom of religion, especially traditional Chinese religion that emphasizes submission to authority, but in the last decade they've been "waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982," including "destroying crosses, burning bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China#People's_Rep...

EDIT: "Account created: 3 hours ago"

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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post #756

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> Let us not put burden of being politically correct on free market corporations. They seem to have picked up the torch themselves on this one.

There rule specifies that offensive speech is something that is not allowed. I assumed that same rule will apply to all kinds of offensive speech, including the hong kong related comment. I, for one, dont want people to use platform likes those to spew say homophobic comments. If that means they have deal with all such comments which may be deemed offensive have to be banned, so be it.

Their rule specifically says it's at their discretion. And they chose to apply it in this instance.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#876

Wow, when a government can ruin someone's professional career of choice simply because he or she has an opinion that goes against the People’s Republic, that’s when companies should decide to no longer do business in China. Sadly, however, the dollar is more powerful than the the moral high ground.

>simply because he or she has an opinion that goes against the People’s Republic

The issue was that it was expressed during an after game interview at one of Blizzard's gaming events, not that they had an opinion.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#877

China is clearly up to no good, but I can't shake the feeling that there would be something off about allowing political soapboxing in apolitical events like this. Should people have a set list of political ideas to propagate at the end of every interview? "My deck was not strong enough in the end-game. And also legalize assault rifles and support the Kurds". I dunno.

Not allowing the expression of political opinions is a political act inspired by political opinion with political consequences. There is no such thing as "apolitical", it is code for "supporting the status quo and agreeing with those currently holding power".

But should political messaging always be allowed in all forums though? Is it not inappropriate in some cases?

Would you be as supportive if the message had been "protect the second amendment, support the NRA" or something?

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#878

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the fact that the person making a political statement knew that they were making a political statement make their banning okay?

There's a difference between accidentally and knowingly breaking a rule. Regardless of if you feel the rule is fair or right, knowingly breaking is more egregious, e.g. manslaughter is not as bad as first or second degree murder.

Sometimes the moral choice is to break the rules.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#879
I just went through the process to delete my account. First attempt to use my Authenticator was “denied - too many attempts. Try another method”. Tried using SMS auth, “denied - too many attempts. Try another method”. Uploaded my driver’s license. Irrespective of stance on China, for this behaviour alone Blizzard can go and get fucked.

EDITED to correct spelling.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#880

Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

If the current administration is serious about the trade war, sanctions, etc. against China (which seems the case), I have to imagine that someone has thought about what it would take to cut off China from the rest of the Internet.

Obviously the fallout from something like this would be incredible, and I'm not advocating for it, but... do we even have the technical capability to do something like this? With the Internet being designed to be resilient, what would it actually take to do this? Can it be done by electronic means rather than by cutting cables / bombing ingress points?

They're already quite isolated by the great firewall, but it seems like cutting off everything at once could still be a powerful splash of cold water to the face. It's certainly not going to happen piecemeal when most companies are this spineless.

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