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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by andrepd » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:49 PM UTC

laheyBro wrote: post #163

asimpletune wrote: post #105

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If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be. If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you. If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you. I never really thought about specific examples until…

What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

Where do you even begin to pick apart a statement like this... The US is completely fucked with regards to racial tensions, it's a complete shithole in that respect, for the standard of a developed nation. Race permeates public consciousness to a degree not really seen anywhere in Western Europe. Until the 60s there was institutionalised discrimination for crying out loud. Even today there is a measured, objective disparity in: arrests, convictions, police brutality, not to mention job applications and other areas. Can you compare this to a country like Spain or the Netherlands?

"Least oppressed society in HISTORY", this reads like a Trump tweet. Sure is some egregious lack of self-awareness.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by journalctl » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

jimclegg wrote: post #201

throwaway_bad wrote: post #47

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Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

Looks similar to what happens in the UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xr4nfKsWk Wonder what she typed.

Ah, there it is. “What about the UK? What about the US? Hmmm?” We’re talking about China. The state being able to disappear people is not okay anyway, which includes China, where it seems to happen a lot more frequently than other countries.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by jimclegg » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

jdm2212 wrote: post #236

threwawasy1228 wrote: post #232

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This is such a ridiculous framing, so in your opinion by this logic, if Xi was democratically elected by a free and fair election, and then proceeded to ban memes via a legislative branch that would be perfectly fine? I think what the UK is doing is equally shameful. This kind of "its ok when the west does it" type of narrative is why when I talk to Chinese students about censorship issues they can consistently point…

There are two separate issues with China banning memes: 1. it's symptomatic of Xi's government being able to do anything it wants to (including killing people to harvest their organs) without any checks and balances 2. it violates our ideal of freedom of speech One of those is a far more serious problem than the other. A democratic society can fix laws that don't live up to its ideals. A lawless, autocratic society c…

>A democratic society can fix laws that don't live up to its ideals. A lawless, autocratic society cannot.

China has mechanisms to change laws but they have to be routed through the proper channels. From what I understand, individuals can complain all they want, as long as they don't organize outside of these designated channels.

This definitely pisses off the % of western governments that use "grassroots" movements as an attack vector to undermine unfavorable foreign governments.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by munk-a » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

throwaway_bad wrote: post #47

dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

And so taking a stand like this is a privilege for those with status - a dude working in a newspaper stand wouldn't get away with this - but Trey Stone & Matt Parker have survived the worst the Scientologists could throw at them... they'll weather this one or, if China decides to throw pressure at ComedyCentral or whoever their corporate overloads are, then they can be ready to greet the Streisand effect.

I applaud them for doing this even though it'll mean nothing but trouble for them, any positive PR they're getting this will be drowned out by pressures coming out of China and the loss of a giant market - still, good on ya mates.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by andrepd » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

Konnstann wrote: post #181

dekhn wrote: post #151

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if you want to deny the lived experience of african americans in the US, you're free to do so (it falls under free speech) but frankly I think making ivory tower-level statements like this ignores an extraordinary amount of evidence that african americans (and many non-caucasians) experience systemic racism that affects their economic opportunities and health.

I grew up in a majority non-white area, and am now subsequently living in another majority non-white area. I can count on one hand the number of beat cops I've seen in those cities. Seems to me if there's a higher crime rate, the amount of cops increases, and the likelihood you get stopped increases as well. On another note, when did Caucasian become a term for white people? As an actual Caucasian, having immigrated…

Parent: "substantive objective measurements show that nonwhite people are subject to systemic racism"

You: "yeah but I grew up in so and so and I never saw anything like that, plus I have a friend who is black and bla bla bla"

Come on...

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by jessaustin » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

leftyted wrote: post #104

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #98

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> The idea that the Holocaust deniers will "create a new oppressive government" seems extremely paranoid to me. Suuure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

I find it unlikely that a tiny minority that most Americans find utterly repulsive could "create a new oppressive government". It's like being worried that a UFO cult will take over the country.

After they've spent two years consuming the various conspiracy theories recycled ad nauseam by Maddow et al., they're primed to believe lots of stuff.

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Post by freeopinion » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

jdm2212 wrote: post #216

jimclegg wrote: post #201

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Looks similar to what happens in the UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xr4nfKsWk Wonder what she typed.

One is a country with rule of law enforcing its laws. The other is an autocracy enforcing the whims of the current ruler.

So if the lady in China went down to the police station, called a lawyer, and got released 6 hours later, everything's ok?

If the folks in UK got released 2 months later, everything's ok?

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Post by journalctl » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

joelx wrote: post #165

grievances wrote: post #78

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Many brave people have fought and died for their countries and rights. Its easy to forget that minorities and “unlucky” people fight too; knowing that you’re safe expressing your points of view is something that many have earned, not all have received. That very much sounds like privilege to me.

We need to avoid getting lost in minor internal debates. I agree some classes of people in America have had more difficulty exercising their rights, but they always had those rights and the courts enforced them usually. What we are talking about with China and Russia is totalitarian dictatorships that come and take you from your home and beat you and murder you for making a comment on the internet they didn't like or…

You, uh, you could own people a few generations ago. There are women alive today who remember not being able to vote. To call that “some difficulty expressing their rights” is remarkably tone-deaf. And no, the courts usually sided with the majority (c.f. Plessy v. Ferguson, etc.)

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Post by munk-a » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

jdm2212 wrote: post #216

jimclegg wrote: post #201

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Looks similar to what happens in the UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xr4nfKsWk Wonder what she typed.

One is a country with rule of law enforcing its laws. The other is an autocracy enforcing the whims of the current ruler.

I agree it's a bad idea to crush the will of the people under our feet and force them to bend to our will - which is why I completely disagree with your statement. I dislike China's government but I feel like America, with it's track record, really shouldn't start talking about how nice regime change would be.

For the time being, while the government may be autocratic, it is enforcing it's law and you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere in the world where the rule of law rules harder.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by andrepd » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

Konnstann wrote: post #183

mikestew wrote: post #167

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As a white man with upper-middle class money to afford good lawyers, I can tell a cop to piss off when they're out of line and suffer fewer repercussions than others. I might go to jail for the evening (no biggie, I've traveled that road), but come Monday morning me and Ms. Pit Bull Lawyer, Esq. go smooth it over with the judge. If it even gets that far...'cuz, you know, I'm white. This could all be in my head, but b…

Anybody with good enough lawyers can tell a cop to piss off, you might even get the cop on a hate crime if you're non-white. I've got the same amount of anecdotes to suggest the opposite. My dad got pulled over because he didn't stop at a stop sign for the mandatory 3-mississippi in our neighborhood, and no lack of melanin in his skin would have been enough to prevent the ticket.

Yes, watching the news these past few years we can totally see that cops get convicted for "hate crime" every single day.

They shoot innocent, unarmed men to death as a matter of course, and get off with a few months' suspension, but somehow you think you can charge a cop for a "hate crime" for getting pulled over (conveniently concluding then that it's the black folk who are "privileged").