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'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by ddrdrck_ »

elliekelly wrote: post #61
corodra wrote: post #52

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Well, lets not forget their detention camps for ethnic minorities they don't like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-... I mean at this rate, I seriously think in a decade or two, we're going to find a Holocaust level event has been going on in China that's going to make the Nazis look like amateurs. But instead, we're focused on stupid left/right political differences and figuring out wheth…

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Brainwashing millions of people is a terrible thing to do, but I don't believe it is on the same level of atrocity than genocide and mass murdering.

Nazis did not try to "assimilate" Jews by forcing them to reject their religion and traditions, and by forcing weddings between aryan and jews (could you imagine that ?).

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by corodra »

smitty1e wrote: post #34
drawkbox wrote: post #24

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Comedy is not dead. Comedy can change minds. Comedy is powerful and attacks the self-important and authoritarianism. Comedy can take on serious challenges in the best way. > John Cleese in On Creativity said: "the self-important always know with some level of their consciousness that their egotism is going to be punctured by humor -- that's why they see it as a threat. And so {they} dishonestly pretend that their def…

Comedy is threatened by corporations and people assuming the position for tyranny.

To be fair for Viacom, they still haven't pulled South Park. In fact, they renewed it until 2022. Yes, they've forced censorship here and there. But when you take South Park as a whole, you'd be hard pressed to find a big entertainment conglomerate who would allow South Park antics. Matt and Trey really don't take prisoners and Viacom has been bank rolling that. They've done what they can to protect themselves legally, which yes, is censorship. But again, to be fair, they're running a business. It would make far more business sense just to shut down South Park instead. So, for that, you can't just totally shit on them. Maybe just a small poo fling. Maybe two. But that's it.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by notduncansmith »

Konnstann wrote: post #75
dekhn wrote: post #71

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I understand where you're coming from and I thought twice about using that word. I certainly appreciate the work done to give me freedoms, and I agree luck had a big part of it. But the reality is that as a white middle class male in the US, I do have the privilege to say things and do things in public that people who aren't white or middle class can't. The freedoms we have aren't equally distributed due to systemic…

Can you give me an example of something a non-white, non-middle class person can't say or do in public? Maybe it's my limited world-view, but I can't think of anything specific.

Depending on where you are, simply leaving the house. Black people are more likely to be "randomly" stopped, more likely to be searched at a stop, and more likely to be arrested at a stop. Other statistics highlight similar issues faced by other minorities.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/black-people-more...

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by leftyted »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #98
leftyted wrote: post #45

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There are many arguments for freedom of speech. One of the most famous centers around the idea that no one should have the ability to decide what can't be said because that assumes infallability: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill#Freedom_of_sp... So, yes, from this perspective, freedom of speech exists to protect Holocaust deniers. The idea that the Holocaust deniers will "create a new oppressive governm…

> The idea that the Holocaust deniers will "create a new oppressive government" seems extremely paranoid to me. Suuure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

I find it unlikely that a tiny minority that most Americans find utterly repulsive could "create a new oppressive government". It's like being worried that a UFO cult will take over the country.

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Post by asimpletune »

Konnstann wrote: post #75
dekhn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand where you're coming from and I thought twice about using that word. I certainly appreciate the work done to give me freedoms, and I agree luck had a big part of it. But the reality is that as a white middle class male in the US, I do have the privilege to say things and do things in public that people who aren't white or middle class can't. The freedoms we have aren't equally distributed due to systemic…

Can you give me an example of something a non-white, non-middle class person can't say or do in public? Maybe it's my limited world-view, but I can't think of anything specific.

If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be.

If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you.

If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you.

I never really thought about specific examples until I read this comment, but this is what came to mind.

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Post by hevi_jos »

olalonde wrote: post #54
bluntfang wrote: post #50

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>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

That and the idea that Chinese citizens see themselves as oppressed. As crazy as it may seem to us, they're overwhelmingly supportive of their government.

Not that hard to understand, given that the current government has increased their quality of life immensely.

China comes from having the majority of its population starve, thanks to Mao.

And before that there were 5 centuries of China going down that ended in things like USA ships patrolling its rivers, and Europeans their coast being in practice a colony and experiencing humiliation of watching external powers siphon out your wealth being too weak to protect yourself.

When the tendency is good everything if fine. When the tendency goes down, things will change.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by Roark66 »

bluntfang wrote: post #50
dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

>One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom. I've noticed a trend on this site in particular where we collectively wonder if our western media is a part of Chinese counter-culture. Is this hubris uniquely American?

Well, In the previous century when Eastern Europe was under Soviet occupation American and western media were a part of counter-culture. This was limited to records and books and near the end of that time also included VHS tapes. It is not that far fetched to imagine that what used to happen in communist countries 60 years ago could have its equivalent in today's China.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by bluetidepro »

umvi wrote: post #106

I don't get the Winnie the Pooh meme. Is that a real thing Chinese people get upset about?

It's a meme that came from a picture a few years ago with Xi and Obama. Source: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/xi-jinping

> Is that a real thing Chinese people get upset about?

Most likely not their people, but their government.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by corodra »

hevi_jos wrote: post #99
corodra wrote: post #52

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Well, lets not forget their detention camps for ethnic minorities they don't like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-... I mean at this rate, I seriously think in a decade or two, we're going to find a Holocaust level event has been going on in China that's going to make the Nazis look like amateurs. But instead, we're focused on stupid left/right political differences and figuring out wheth…

For your information, Mr Hitler killed over 5 million people. Mao killed way over 30 million. Absolutely incompetent, he manage to remain in power just using terror. The other day there was an 70th anniversary of the founding of PRC and this criminal's gigantic picture was at the hotspot.

Oh, I know. I'm a Polish-Jew. The actions of the communists is not shrouded to me. It's just a shame that the western world is so apologetic to them, I'm forced to use nazi references. Communists make fascists look like little-league amateurs playing with crayons when it comes to genocide. That's played out multiple times in multiple places in the 20th century. The real power of the communists though, they do a far better job at having a smile on their face and making everyone else think "Genocide is good for the party". Kind of like how everyone still this Che is some hero and wear shirts with his face on it. Oh, and that 30 million is just your average, run of the mill murder. The numbers of starvation due to piss poor policy, greed and power hunger are estimated to be even higher than that. Like that good ol' four pest plan. That worked out so amazingly well.... idiots. You reap what you sow... oh wait, they couldn't.
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