I was always told that this foam wasn't toxic
The problem seems to be that just because it isn't acutely toxic non-chemist military personal treated it like it wasn't also chronically toxic.
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
As incredible as it is, $100 appears to be below average monthly cost nowadays for a 4 person family[0] using 150 gallons / person / day [based on a random study that quick search found]. I am not sure who would use 150 gallons a day though. Even 50 gallons (~189 liters) seems a lot to me. If you factor in irrigation system, etc. then maybe you would get to these gallon volumes. [0] https://www.circleofblue.org/2018/…
My town has a floor that's about 100 gallons per day that I'm always under. My bill, with no sewer, is more than $20/month. $100/month for water seems high in that, anecdotally, electrical and oil bills are a much bigger deal for most people than water. OTOH, $100/month doesn't seem out of the realm of reasonableness either.
Meanwhile I pay $630 every six months for water no matter how much or little I use. So $100 a month seems right on to me.
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#13> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
Putting pipes in the ground is not cheap, and it needs to be paid for. There are also pumps, treatment, and maintenance that needs to be paid for. When you have a dense city that isn't a big deal because your share of the above isn't very expensive. However when you have a sparse rural area your share goes up. In a city public water systems are cheaper than drilling a well, but in rural areas a private well is cheaper - but if the ground water isn't safe to drink the treatment can be out of reach.
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#14> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
Nobody running a farm is wasting expensive municipal water on irrigation when they have a perfectly functional well on the property. I'm not sure it's even possible to run an economically solvent farming operation off municipal water in the US for any crop other than maybe indoor weed.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
My town has a floor that's about 100 gallons per day that I'm always under. My bill, with no sewer, is more than $20/month. $100/month for water seems high in that, anecdotally, electrical and oil bills are a much bigger deal for most people than water. OTOH, $100/month doesn't seem out of the realm of reasonableness either.
Meanwhile I pay $630 every six months for water no matter how much or little I use. So $100 a month seems right on to me.
I confess to being a bit surprised but, based on the comments, it certainly seems as if $100/month is within the normal range for water bills, even for light use.
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#16> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
I live in Sarasota Florida, my water and sewer bill is 100.
Sewer is usually twice the price of water, so 33 water and 66 sewer.
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#17> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
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#18The same problem exists with PFC foam used at military and civilian airports in Germany (and probably around the world): https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/report-muenchen/bunde... (in German)
It's a worldwide problem. I would safely guess just about every airfield in America is dealing with this issue, even if there hasn't been a specific article written about it yet.
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#19> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
My actual water/gas usage fee is just a few dollars a month, but there's a "base station fee", for what I presume to be infrastructure, that pushes my bill to just over $100 per month.
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#20> The Air Force delivered free five-gallon jugs of water to the Mendez home for more than two years. In 2018, it paid to have the house connected to the municipal water system. Ruben Mendez said he now pays $100 a month for water he used to get for free. Sorry, what? 100$ a month for residential water ? Either this guy is running a farm operation or something is seriously broken.
https://kfor.com/2019/09/03/im-just-frustrated-edmond-reside...
Where I live people's bills are going from $100 to over $600 a month. I saw someone's post on Nextdoor saying that their bill was $2700. Ours was $963 up from about $270 with no change in usage. I would be thrilled to pay $100 a month for water.