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Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by onli »

latchkey wrote: post #47
onli wrote: post #36

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> Anyway this is par for the course of Hacker News. The troll post always is highest ranked. :( HN is the platform on the net where you will read "RSS should be used more" and "Thanks Dave Winer for this great tech" most often. And here you have a comment of someone with no history of trolling (according to his most recent posts at least) who made himself very small ("I was an idiot") and apologized to you, and you i…

Spot on, except the devastating part. I am not surprised by his response and I'm old enough now to just shrug it off. My story was absolutely genuine and is in response to his request for stories... "I wonder what it looked like from the other side of the net connection."

That's good to hear :)

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

soapdog wrote: post #50
kragen wrote: post #46

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> Still, it was bittersweet when he blocked me on Twitter What was the sweet part of being blocked? Was there some stuff he posted that you really hated, or was he reading your tweets and launching personal attacks on you, or what?

Maybe I chose the wrong word. English is my second language. He just posted an open question on twitter and I answered. There was no hate or discussion. For me it was bittersweet because I was happy to interact, I thought I was contributing because I do have a ton of experience with the subject, but then when I was expecting a reply, he blocked. There was no interaction. Let me be clear that people are free to block…

What's your Twitter handle so I can unblock. And thanks for being so reasonable about it.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

onli wrote: post #36
davewiner wrote: post #23

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I like this in your profile -- "Important: If you are looking at this profile because you thought something I posted was wrong, dismissive, disrespectful, douchebaggish, what have you, I would really like to hear from you so that I could understand how you got that impression. I won't get mad, I won't "retaliate" I just want to hear what you have to say. It is important to me to communicate clearly and if something I…

> Anyway this is par for the course of Hacker News. The troll post always is highest ranked. :( HN is the platform on the net where you will read "RSS should be used more" and "Thanks Dave Winer for this great tech" most often. And here you have a comment of someone with no history of trolling (according to his most recent posts at least) who made himself very small ("I was an idiot") and apologized to you, and you i…

I stopped coming here a long time ago because trolls dominate. These days we understand why and how that happens, and HN is wide open to that kind of abuse, with no moderation tools.

So what changed, if it's true that now it's a place where people are respectful of other people? And where are those comments in this thread (spoiler: they're at the bottom of the list).

Anyway PLEASE let me know when the tech I have participated in is discussed here and if there's some way I can help.

For example, I'm getting a new version of the XML-RPC website ready, based on a new JavaScript implementation. A lot of people still use XML-RPC, after scripting.com it's my most popular site.

My email address is dave@scripting.com.

I'm always shipping new projects on GitHub. I have a new one I'm working on that I'm really excited about. ;-)

https://github.com/scripting?tab=repositories

If Hacker News is a good venue then I want to participate. I'm skeptical but will try to keep an open mind.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

Udo wrote: post #2

Thank you Dave Winer for creating RSS. For a while there, it seemed like we were on a path of making all data free, a truly decentralized web of information. I wish the internet would have continued on that route.

Thank you for the kind words. RSS is still a robust format with lots of news flowing through it, so we did accomplish something. And the pendulum is always swinging, so I think we may find the open web useful still, esp when the big tech companies like Google move on. ;-)

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

justsomeone88 wrote: post #39

I feel bad for Dave. He was so early to the table on so many occasions yet he was left behind and never really made it big monetarily. He is the definition of missing the boat.

Please don't feel bad. I was never trying to make a lot of money from the web. I had lots of opportunities to sell out. I did that once, in the 80s, and that has funded my creative work ever since. Money isn't that useful, I learned, pretty early-on. Here's a piece I wrote about that recently.

http://scripting.com/2016/05/31/1296.html

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by soapdog »

davewiner wrote: post #52
soapdog wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I chose the wrong word. English is my second language. He just posted an open question on twitter and I answered. There was no hate or discussion. For me it was bittersweet because I was happy to interact, I thought I was contributing because I do have a ton of experience with the subject, but then when I was expecting a reply, he blocked. There was no interaction. Let me be clear that people are free to block…

What's your Twitter handle so I can unblock. And thanks for being so reasonable about it.

Hey thanks a ton for all the work in these last 25 years. The account is https://twitter.com/soapdog

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by onli »

davewiner wrote: post #53
onli wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyway this is par for the course of Hacker News. The troll post always is highest ranked. :( HN is the platform on the net where you will read "RSS should be used more" and "Thanks Dave Winer for this great tech" most often. And here you have a comment of someone with no history of trolling (according to his most recent posts at least) who made himself very small ("I was an idiot") and apologized to you, and you i…

I stopped coming here a long time ago because trolls dominate. These days we understand why and how that happens, and HN is wide open to that kind of abuse, with no moderation tools. So what changed, if it's true that now it's a place where people are respectful of other people? And where are those comments in this thread (spoiler: they're at the bottom of the list). Anyway PLEASE let me know when the tech I have par…

Oh, but there is not no moderation. There is a moderator team, a system for shadowbanning is in place, and posts get downvoted or flagged. We just still seem to disagree whether the comment here was disrespectful or not.

XML-RPC is indeed something used in the wild, and something I have contact with via blog software. In my case for remote editors and pingbacks basically.

For the discussions, I'm gonna send you a mail :)

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

soapdog wrote: post #56
davewiner wrote: post #52

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What's your Twitter handle so I can unblock. And thanks for being so reasonable about it.

Hey thanks a ton for all the work in these last 25 years. The account is https://twitter.com/soapdog

I just unblocked and followed you.

Thanks for the respect, much appreciated. ;-)

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