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San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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City Journal is pretty weird. It used to be a mainstream magazine of urban planning, but now it seems to have been infected with the far-right brain virus. Edit: I also can't believe that an article on San Francisco homelessness never once mentions zoning laws.

How is talking about an obvious problem a far-right brain virus?

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #2

City Journal is pretty weird. It used to be a mainstream magazine of urban planning, but now it seems to have been infected with the far-right brain virus. Edit: I also can't believe that an article on San Francisco homelessness never once mentions zoning laws.

I'm quite curious, what did you find far-right about this article? I thought it was quite centrist, moderate, gentle.

Far-right isn't a synonym for bad, aggressive, abrasive (although in practice many people would argue that the two are linked, and that could explain why some people tend to recoil from the term even though they hold similar positions, such as all the people beginning their sentence with I'm pretty left-wing, but... but I digress). Just because a text is moderate and gentle in tone doesn't mean it's not heavily slanted one way or another in content. In this case it's very easy to see the right-wing slant through the cracks of the 'gentle' tone.

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #6

Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home? Maybe we need to design our cities and public places in a way that they would be approachable for people living outside? Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside?

Why should we expect people to have affordable healthcare? Why should we expect people to have enough to eat? Why should we expect people to have rights? Can't we just let people die outside from the cold or something?

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #6

Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home? Maybe we need to design our cities and public places in a way that they would be approachable for people living outside? Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside?

>Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home?

Because we aren't cavemen anymore.

And a tent is a home, just a shabby, crappy, small one.

>Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside?

Because people also need to eat and poop and shower somewhere, and be protected from the elements, and once you incorporate all that, you get a hostel/shelter.

I'll take your comment as an opportunity to say this:

Yes, we absolutely should have more infrastructure for the homeless.

Let's have public baths, public toilets, storage facilities, communal kitchens perhaps. Internet access (libraries do that, but that shouldn't be the only place).

Travelers would appreciate many of these as well.

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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It is strange that this subject gets so much attention but so little actual investigation. It is asserted that San Francisco simply backed off from enforcement and then this happened, but the reality is far more complex. Heavy ongoing use of incarceration caused both a backlash and extreme expense. Troubled people from all over the globe come to San Francisco. Most homeless only stay in the City for a couple of weeks…

Deciding to enforce crimes would not fix the problem, but move it somewhere else and/or make it less visible - which is what most other cities are doing...

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #15
post #6

Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home? Maybe we need to design our cities and public places in a way that they would be approachable for people living outside? Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside?

>Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home? Because we aren't cavemen anymore. And a tent is a home, just a shabby, crappy, small one. >Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside? Because people also need to eat and poop and shower somewhere, and be protected from the elements, and once you incorporate all that, you get a hostel/shelter. I'll t…

Have you ever camped in a camping spot somewhere? You get electricity, bathrooms, access to kitchen etc.

If we could accept the fact that some people want to live on the streets, we would be able to make their life much easier and better without imposing a certain philosophy on how they should be living.

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #2

City Journal is pretty weird. It used to be a mainstream magazine of urban planning, but now it seems to have been infected with the far-right brain virus. Edit: I also can't believe that an article on San Francisco homelessness never once mentions zoning laws.

How is talking about an obvious problem a far-right brain virus?

It’s not. Just a straw man argument avoiding the deeper truths which the article is exposing and the commenter is disinclined to admit.

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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post #6

Why do we expect that people should live in house or have a home? Maybe we need to design our cities and public places in a way that they would be approachable for people living outside? Why we wouldn't have camping spots in cities with infrastructure that supports living outside?

This is some Olympics-level mental gymnastics. Have you considered most of these people don't _want_ to be sleeping outside and only do so because circumstances drove them to? Like maybe going bankrupt from healthcare, or some other reason?

Re: San Francisco, Hostage to the Homeless

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Wow, that article's rhetoric is seething with social darwinistic class hatred. All these voluntary homeless seems to be conspicuously absent in western Europe. At least at this scale.

Insisting on, which the author clearly does according to a quick googling, firmly supporting and perpetuating an economic system that creates these dystopian features and then calling for their forceful removal, through weasel language, is cynical at best, and evil in practice.

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