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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

spats1990 wrote: post #538
yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

If you think 2019 China is that similar to 1930s Germany you should just come right out and say it, in my opinion. Let that argument stand on its merits. If you didn't intend a parallel between 1930s Germany and 2019 China, there is, again in my opinion only, probably a better way of making your point.

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. That's the last thing we need here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by on_and_off »

foota wrote: post #618
on_and_off wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It felt weird to see such a good episode from South Park after how much they have lost touch with reality at some point. Well .. subjectively I did not find it very funny so maybe not an all time high episode, but the critic was absolutely on point and something that very few people are talking about. China has a lot of control on what can be included in a hollywood movie. Propaganda is not exactly new ... after all…

"but this time it is from one country to another" Isn't Hollywood the same?

I am not sure I follow ?

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

tempa1111333 wrote: post #605
yungcoder wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Go on any Chinese social media site and the amount of nationalist rhetoric you'll find is quite disturbing Thank you for pointing this out. The amount of nationalistic remark from some HN commenters is also quite disturbing. Denial, ad hominem, and cynicism seems to be their strategy. Most China submissions that they don’t like suddenly forum slide like crazy by triggering the flame war detector; downvoting anythin…

This is the kind of off-topic accusation that both sides hurl at each other, to the precise extent that they feel passionately about the subject, and in clear violation of the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. It's toxic and information-free. Please don't.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

yumraj wrote: post #599
spats1990 wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. 2. This point appears to be about how unfair historical treatment can lead to fascism. Are you saying that the people of China are headed in this direction? 3. I'll defer to your judgement as I presume you read mandarin/canto, but I d…

> 1. Germany was preparing for outright war throughout the 1930s. Conscription was introduced in 1935.Is China seriously planning to militarily annex Taiwan? Leaving aside propaganda etc. China is one of those rare countries in today's world which has border conflicts with each and every of its neighbors and is openly ignoring international norms. On top of that I don't think that it is investing heavily in military…

> China is one of those rare countries in today's world which has border conflicts with each and every of its neighbors

Many countries have territorial disputes. India has territorial disputes with China and Pakistan. Japan has territorial disputes with Russia, South Korea and China (and Taiwan, if you count them as a country). Basically every country bordering the South China Sea has territorial disputes with every other country bordering the sea.

Yet China hasn't fought a war since 1979, which is something that gets lost in all these discussions. It doesn't fit with the China = expansionist Nazi Germany narrative, I guess.

> is openly ignoring international norms

There's a very good case to be made that China respects international norms much more than the United States does. The US has repeatedly violated the most important post-WWII international norm - the ban on aggressive war. For citizens of the country that invaded Iraq without provocation and caused the deaths of a million people there, it's a bit rich to go on and on about China not respecting international norms.

> I don't think that it is investing heavily in military just for show.

Definitely not for show. They're afraid of the United States military, which is funded to the tune of $700 billion/year. China spends a tiny fraction of that on its military. Even as a fraction of GDP, China's military spending is small compared to that of the US.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by Thorrez »

howtofly wrote: post #638
qwerty456127 wrote: post #427

The whole "unrecognised country" nonsense should begone. Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country (and does a reasonable job of being a decent country for the people living in it, it obviously is a better country than a number of completely recognized ones) yet it still has "limited recognition". How about recognizing the facts rather than virtual reality of politicians' imagination? Banning an entire country is…

"Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country" Really? Does your government officially call Taiwan "a country"? Show us the proof. Considering only 15 countries in this universe still do this, it's almost safe to guess NO.

"Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country" is referring to people, not to governments. Just because a government doesn't recognize a country doesn't mean the people under that government don't recognize the country.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

on_and_off wrote: post #583
humanrebar wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. I think it's bad form to downvote without comment outside of pettiness or trolling.

Agreed. I wish that HN would force people to write a comment explaining why they are downvoting.

Alas, that would generate more petty bickering about downvotes. Heaps more.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by scythe »

hamilyon2 wrote: post #633
yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

As far as I remember, Germany in 30-s was underdog, deprived of colonies, territories, with failing economy and zero weight in international relations. China is actual, undisputed world leader. They don't tolerate other nations telling them what to do on their land, and like economical expansion to neighbor states. They can afford it. I don't see parallels.

Germany in the prewar period had the second-largest domestic economy in the world:

http://www.zuljan.info/articles/0302wwiigdp.html

China is still second in the world by nominal GDP, although they're closer to us now than Germany was then.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by goblin89 »

goblin89 wrote: post #53
pcurve wrote: post #26

Anyone hazard to guess China's next few chess moves?

Depends on their near-term goals. If dismantling HK’s SAR status is on the list, make sure that protests in Hong Kong remain violent and feature people waving flags of USA. Use that as an excuse to intervene in order to fight terrorism and/or maintain national sovereignty against foreign powers. Status re Taiwan is unlikely to radically change in near future, as far as my understanding of the situation goes. As an as…

Apparently the author of that article is considered pro-PRC in HK, as he supports the Greater Bay Area idea. Uhm. On the merits, though, some of what he writes makes sense.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

Galanwe wrote: post #647

Can anyone actually validate that this news is true? I live in Hong Kong and have the latest iOS updates. I still have the Taiwanese flag... same for all my colleagues, both on personal and work phones.

That's important. It would be dismaying if this story spent an entire day at #1 on Hacker News and turned out not to be true.
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