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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by xur17 »

dang wrote: post #457
xur17 wrote: post #451

Does it make anyone else uncomfortable to see a fairly high number of freshly created accounts that only comment on China related threads? Specifically (read the comment history for these accounts): * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thewholeview * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=surajama * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thrwy_01 * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=7u5432throw * https://news.ycombin…

I'll look into it tonight and report back here. If I forget for some reason, anyone is welcome to ping hn@ycombinator.com. Edit: see reply below.

Sent you an email. Apologies for posting this meta discussion here.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by rangibaby »

ultrarunner wrote: post #216
Synaesthesia wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also denied apps which track US bombing and attacks, drone strikes and such

Do you have more information? I didn't find anything with a few quick searches but would like to know more.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/28/after-12-rejections-appl...

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by lacampbell »

886 wrote: post #219

To get the facts right. It isn't called "Taiwan flag". It is the flag of Republic of China. And To People's Republic of China, ROC is not legitimate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations

The Republic of China is commonly known as Taiwan. No one is confused about the geopolitical entity you mean when you say "Taiwan".

The ROC government has for some time used some variation of "Taiwan (Republic of China)" when using English - passports, visa entry stamps, embassies, etc.

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Post by ativzzz »

marnett wrote: post #434
dpkonofa wrote: post #244

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Of course but I think the point is that we can stop supporting the continued benefit of these. Money talks and both people and corporations can talk the talk by not supporting these countries and not caving to them.

I do not support the atrocities that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is committing against the people of Yemen (civilian death toll closing in on 100,000 [0]) with American purchased F-35 jets manufactured by Lockheed Martin. How can I, as a person, talk with my money to prevent this? How can Lockheed Martin, a corporation whose fiduciary obligation is to generate profit for its shareholders, prevent this? How can the US…

> How can I, as a person, talk with my money to prevent this?

With your personal money? You can't. Can you convince extremely wealthy people to spend their money in a way that will ultimately lose them money? Possible, but still losing odds.

See Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins for an example of what this fight looks like. (he was one of the guys who paved way for the original deals between the US and Saudi Arabia that you mention)

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Post by jasonjei »

paulific wrote: post #467
qwerty456127 wrote: post #427

The whole "unrecognised country" nonsense should begone. Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country (and does a reasonable job of being a decent country for the people living in it, it obviously is a better country than a number of completely recognized ones) yet it still has "limited recognition". How about recognizing the facts rather than virtual reality of politicians' imagination? Banning an entire country is…

Part of the politics is that the Republic of China still officially claims to be the legitimate government of the whole of China. So it really is recognize one or the other. Politics within Taiwan have so far prevented declaration of Taiwanese independence from China in any form, and the One-China policy that everybody agrees to prevents recognition of the PRC and establishment of two-state relationships. Until eithe…

This is not very true. Taiwan, Republic of China, has made attempts to change its name, only to be met with the threat of war from the People’s Republic of China if they perform a name change to Republic of Taiwan.

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Post by School-Cotton »

paulific wrote: post #467
qwerty456127 wrote: post #427

The whole "unrecognised country" nonsense should begone. Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country (and does a reasonable job of being a decent country for the people living in it, it obviously is a better country than a number of completely recognized ones) yet it still has "limited recognition". How about recognizing the facts rather than virtual reality of politicians' imagination? Banning an entire country is…

Part of the politics is that the Republic of China still officially claims to be the legitimate government of the whole of China. So it really is recognize one or the other. Politics within Taiwan have so far prevented declaration of Taiwanese independence from China in any form, and the One-China policy that everybody agrees to prevents recognition of the PRC and establishment of two-state relationships. Until eithe…

The RoK and DPRK each claim sovereignty over all of Korea, which both sides legally view as one country. That hasn’t stopped the rest of the world from recognizing them separately.

Taiwan’s partial recognition is due to pressure from China, not any logical impossibility of recognizing two different countries that officially claim to be one.

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Post by 1123581321 »

alasdair_ wrote: post #456
hawkice wrote: post #449

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I mean, you can take a plane to Taipei. It isn't subjective or unprovable: the ROC will check your passport. They issue the currency you will use to buy food. The police work for them. Taxes are collected, exclusively, by them.

>I mean, you can take a plane to Taipei. It isn't subjective or unprovable: the ROC will check your passport. They issue the currency you will use to buy food. The police work for them. Taxes are collected, exclusively, by them. The question of whether or not ISIS is therefore a country is left as an exercise for the reader.

It would be a better exercise to define a sovereign state first and then independently apply the test to Taiwan and IS. History is full of unpleasant governments.

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Post by lonelappde »

FabHK wrote: post #382
pradn wrote: post #145

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Yea, it's one of the fun things about living in New York. Me watching the first Avengers: How'd they get from Upper East to Washington Sq in like 20 seconds?

And how do the protagonists in US TV series and films always just immediately get a parking spot just in front of their destination??

They have film permits, of course.

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Post by vkou »

AWildC182 wrote: post #462
vkou wrote: post #452

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The objective reality is that most of the world, including the United States, does not actually recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country. It recognizes that it exists as... Something. I think you would be hard-pressed to argue that the Department of State, and its counterparts in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Brazil, Japan[1], etc, etc, etc, have been 'highly leveraged by China for political g…

Countries that don't recognize Taiwan, the US included, do so solely because the GDP of China is much greater than the GDP of Taiwan and China is more than willing to throw their weight around in an attempt to legitimize their claim through coercion. If you hold a gun to someone's head and/or give them $100 and tell them to repeat that you are a cabbage, you don't become the cabbage, no matter how much of the world y…

I do all sorts of things, because people who have physical, or economic power over me compel me to. Just because their authority is enforced through force (Or the implicit threat of force) (Or the promise of rewards for compliance) does not mean that they are illegitimate authorities.

Compelling other people to do things, with either a carrot, or a stick, is an incredibly normal state of affairs in life. My landlord will have me out on my ass if I don't cut him a check on the first of every month - does that mean that my recognition of his authority to my apartment is illegitimate, or somehow coercive?

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Post by sixstringtheory »

syncsynchalt wrote: post #442
sixstringtheory wrote: post #376

Personally I hate seeing this happen both as a specific instance in the case of HK/Taiwan but just in general with corporations and politics. Professionally and philosophically it's another interesting wrinkle in the implications of the emoji technology. It reminded of something we saw a couple years ago when Apple changed the depiction of the gun emoji [0]. Interestingly, that blog post's proposed solution (note: sa…

> This speaks to how fragile Unicode is, that things that were written in the past may so easily be changed in the future Unicode does not define code points for individual country flags. It defines 26 code points "Regional Indicator Symbol Letter A" through "Regional Indicator Symbol Letter Z" and implementations use that to represent two-letter ISO codes as the region or country's flag. To use a more neutral exampl…

Interesting! Thanks for pointing that out, I did not know that. That being said, it seems like it's an abstraction built upon Unicode, and so can only be as strong (or weak/dangerous/whatever) as that foundation. Even moreso, if it's a convention instead of a standard (which is kinda what those articles are getting at as well: Unicode is a standard, how they are rendered is convention).
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