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Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by pwinnski »

chrischen wrote: post #330
jefe_ wrote: post #301

The craziest part of this article is the note at the end about airlines being forced to remove mention of Taiwan in order to do business in China. Went to Delta website to find a flight to Taipei, and sure enough every stop of trip lists city, state/country and for Taipei is just says: Taipei, According to the article, even this is still 'out of compliance,' because it should say 'Taipei, Taiwan China,' blown away th…

I don’t see what the big deal is. Taiwan’s own passports say China on them.

I'm graciously assuming ignorance here. They say "Republic of China," which is the legal name of Taiwan. That is different from "People's Republic of China," which we in the west just call China.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by hutzlibu »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #339
senderista wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it likely that would be an NDA violation?

Maybe, but for my part I'd break it in a heartbeat and let them sue me. Perhaps the right answer is a tech workers union.

Sadly I believe that the job offers will be limited as moat companies like obidient employers more, than independent ones who cause discomfort. You would have to have good skills to compensate. (or the willingness to move to taiwan)

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by joosters »

reaperducer wrote: post #342
munchbunny wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither time did I have a safety net ready. But my life still continued. Did you mean safety net as in another job lined up or substantial personal savings? Having a safety net generally means that your situation might be tough but you're okay if you quit/lose your job. Getting deported because of your H1B would be an example of "doesn't have a safety net". The definition has gray area (such as if your family in your…

Did you mean safety net as in another job lined up or substantial personal savings? I had neither. I took menial temp jobs and short-term manual labor jobs for a while until I could get something full-time in my field. Took about six months the first time, and nine months the second time. Getting deported because of your H1B would be an example of "doesn't have a safety net". Is it? It's not like if you lose your job…

So you were lucky. Not everyone will have the same luck.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by noobermin »

tibbon wrote: post #182

What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

I'm all for this, but this is a lovely example of the American tendency to blame everything on individuals when it is clearly powerful entities to blame (Apple, the CCP, etc). If one cat refuses, who's to tell you they won't retaliate against them and get another person to do it?

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Post by damnyou »

reaperducer wrote: post #342
munchbunny wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither time did I have a safety net ready. But my life still continued. Did you mean safety net as in another job lined up or substantial personal savings? Having a safety net generally means that your situation might be tough but you're okay if you quit/lose your job. Getting deported because of your H1B would be an example of "doesn't have a safety net". The definition has gray area (such as if your family in your…

Did you mean safety net as in another job lined up or substantial personal savings? I had neither. I took menial temp jobs and short-term manual labor jobs for a while until I could get something full-time in my field. Took about six months the first time, and nine months the second time. Getting deported because of your H1B would be an example of "doesn't have a safety net". Is it? It's not like if you lose your job…

You might be a gay immigrant from a country that oppresses gay people. You might have a partner here, or friends, or family, or community.

Bring forced to move to a different community is always bad. The fact that states often force you to do it is a big reason I am an anarchist.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dragonwriter »

chadlavi wrote: post #354
chrischen wrote: post #345

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While the US doesn’t ban the confederate flag, it is heavily discouraged and official government cannot use it. Lots of controversy over confederate symbolism too with one side arguing it is history, and another arguing it is racist symbolism. Germany bans the swastika. I do think it is well within the sovereign right of a nation to ban symbols of a competing government. In Taiwan’s case it is claiming itself as a ri…

it's a lot more like if the confederacy won and banned the stars and bars in this case.

> if the confederacy won and banned the stars and bars in this case.

I think you meant the flag of (what would be) the preceding national government against which the Confederacy would have won, the Stars and Stripes.

The Stars and Bars is a different flag [0] that it would be odder (and not parallel to any construction of the PRC/ROC issue that I can see) for the Confederacy to ban.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_Sta...

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

alkonaut wrote: post #23

Stop sucking up to dictatorships. If they don't want to do business with you because your map or flags or search engine shows something they don't like - leave. Don't censor your search engine or modify your maps to fit their worldview.

I absolutely agree, Apple needs to take a stand and end its relationship with China immediately. We need to organize boycotts until they do this.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by seph-reed »

dmitrygr wrote: post #59
seph-reed wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm being naive, but it seems like a better response would be to add a bunch of other "not real country" flags. Flags from ancient civilizations, or countries that no longer exist. Then they wouldn't be taking a stand as the people responsible for defining what is and is not a country.

That would not actually work due to how unicode works. There really is not a code point for Taiwanese flag, or Russian flag, or American flag. In fact, each flag is made of two code points, making up the ISO code for the country. So, for Taiwan, the flag is made of code point "flag T" and "flag W". And yes, this means that to correctly render unicode, you need to know the current geopolitical situation in the world (…

This is an extremely quality response. Thank you for the info.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by wolco »

tibbon wrote: post #182

What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

That's why you don't work for apple. You would fail the will you inject your own political opinions part.
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