Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Preparing for 25 Years

scripting.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 58 posts

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#41

Post by cromulent »

davewiner wrote: post #32
Kye wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a good post on this subject: https://medium.com/@soatok/friendship-and-the-furry-fandom-4... People who are well-known are people a lot of people want to get to know , but they remain human with human limitations and human priorities. I've found the best way to get in touch with well-known people is to have a genuine interest in talking to them about mutual interests.

And talk to them like they were human beings, which they are. ;-)

I'm really sorry, but I upvoted your comments, and his, because I thought they were interesting. And wow, Dave Winer is commenting, and a guy who has a story about you from the 90's.

And that pushes his comment to the top, and yeah, here we are.

But a lot of us are very happy about your 25 years. And we know you aren't a bad person, but a human who had a human reaction to an asshole comment in a bar.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#44

Post by soapdog »

I enjoyed a ton of Daves stuff. I've programmer using Frontier. I've used Radio. I've implemented RSS, XML-RPC, and OPML in languages that at the time barelly had a XML parser library. In essence it helped mold me as a developer back in Mac OS 9 (or was it 8?).

One thing that I always did when learning a new language was to implement a GUI blogging client. Blogging has always been one of the most fun parts of the internet for me and Dave has played a pivotal role in shaping this. Heck, I blame him for my love of outliners.

Still, it was bittersweet when he blocked me on Twitter after a disagreement opinion on the fundamental role of journalism in a democratic society. I wish there was a better exchange at the time, he posted an open public question about the role of journalism, I've answered truthfully as someone who is married to and walks with journalists. And poof, block.

That sucked but I still hold a lot of the things he created quite dear. I'm right now implementing blogging libraries for Racket and maybe even a new GUI client soon, and for that fun, I thanks that guy and his 25 years of blogging stuff.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#45

Post by zackmorris »

justsomeone88 wrote: post #39

I feel bad for Dave. He was so early to the table on so many occasions yet he was left behind and never really made it big monetarily. He is the definition of missing the boat.

Aren't we all. I've had an online presence since 1995 and had a blog at times. Put all my eggs in one basket making shareware games and only got out of debt at 40.

Nobody tells you this, but the thing isn't the thing. It's the living expenses you need to generate to get to the thing.

Still the biggest open problem on the internet IMHO.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#46

Post by kragen »

soapdog wrote: post #44

I enjoyed a ton of Daves stuff. I've programmer using Frontier. I've used Radio. I've implemented RSS, XML-RPC, and OPML in languages that at the time barelly had a XML parser library. In essence it helped mold me as a developer back in Mac OS 9 (or was it 8?). One thing that I always did when learning a new language was to implement a GUI blogging client. Blogging has always been one of the most fun parts of the int…

> Still, it was bittersweet when he blocked me on Twitter

What was the sweet part of being blocked? Was there some stuff he posted that you really hated, or was he reading your tweets and launching personal attacks on you, or what?

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#47

Post by latchkey »

onli wrote: post #36
davewiner wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this in your profile -- "Important: If you are looking at this profile because you thought something I posted was wrong, dismissive, disrespectful, douchebaggish, what have you, I would really like to hear from you so that I could understand how you got that impression. I won't get mad, I won't "retaliate" I just want to hear what you have to say. It is important to me to communicate clearly and if something I…

> Anyway this is par for the course of Hacker News. The troll post always is highest ranked. :( HN is the platform on the net where you will read "RSS should be used more" and "Thanks Dave Winer for this great tech" most often. And here you have a comment of someone with no history of trolling (according to his most recent posts at least) who made himself very small ("I was an idiot") and apologized to you, and you i…

Spot on, except the devastating part. I am not surprised by his response and I'm old enough now to just shrug it off.

My story was absolutely genuine and is in response to his request for stories...

"I wonder what it looked like from the other side of the net connection."

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#48

Post by latchkey »

davewiner wrote: post #26
kick wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person isn't trolling, though. It's a fun anecdote that makes you both seem more human, and you didn't come across as a dick in it. EDIT: For the record, most of us probably revere your blog.

Here's how this works. Imagine you don't recall this event. And then he says about you what he said about me (I don't remember the words, and I don't want to, but sounded like I blew my top). Now further imagine that having lived with yourself a long time, you know that isn't how you react to things like that. How would you feel? You're only telling me how you feel. But you're forgetting that I am not you. And I got…

My story wasn't projecting at all. It was simply a story for background and an apology. But you seem to have turned it into more than that. Treating you like an object, what? I also used your software, I didn't say I liked it.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#49

Post by latchkey »

kragen wrote: post #28
davewiner wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's how this works. Imagine you don't recall this event. And then he says about you what he said about me (I don't remember the words, and I don't want to, but sounded like I blew my top). Now further imagine that having lived with yourself a long time, you know that isn't how you react to things like that. How would you feel? You're only telling me how you feel. But you're forgetting that I am not you. And I got…

> And then he says about you what he said about me (I don't remember the words, and I don't want to, but sounded like I blew my top). Now further imagine that having lived with yourself a long time, you know that isn't how you react to things like that. Dude, that is definitely a common reaction on your part. You're famous for flipping out at people. Anyone who read your blog for any length of time saw it happen onli…

Spot on.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#50

Post by soapdog »

kragen wrote: post #46
soapdog wrote: post #44

I enjoyed a ton of Daves stuff. I've programmer using Frontier. I've used Radio. I've implemented RSS, XML-RPC, and OPML in languages that at the time barelly had a XML parser library. In essence it helped mold me as a developer back in Mac OS 9 (or was it 8?). One thing that I always did when learning a new language was to implement a GUI blogging client. Blogging has always been one of the most fun parts of the int…

> Still, it was bittersweet when he blocked me on Twitter What was the sweet part of being blocked? Was there some stuff he posted that you really hated, or was he reading your tweets and launching personal attacks on you, or what?

Maybe I chose the wrong word. English is my second language. He just posted an open question on twitter and I answered. There was no hate or discussion. For me it was bittersweet because I was happy to interact, I thought I was contributing because I do have a ton of experience with the subject, but then when I was expecting a reply, he blocked. There was no interaction.

Let me be clear that people are free to block whoever they want. Dave is not required or expected to interact with me. It was for me unexpected because I thought that some conversation could emerge. Still, this is not a shame the guy session. Everyone has the right to block whoever they want for whatever reason they want. My comment was actually about how besides that bad day, I still value his work a lot and still am influenced and play with the concepts and technologies he created.

Post reply on HN