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Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Blakestr wrote: post #77
JoelMcCracken wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand this is a personal matter but I will not accept anything that I know of having been derived from blood.

I'm curious about the range of derivation from blood. For example, if I took a sample of your blood and made a product that was essentially cloning your blood, would that be the same? Some people's spiritual rejections lie more in the "we're playing God we shouldn't do x" whereas what you are describing is something in regard to the sanctity of the blood. Actually to further my understand, would you be permitted to r…

GP may be more up to date, but from I remember from previous decade, cloning blood would be no-go, and so your own blood that was stored outside of your body. Cardiopulmonary bypass was AFAIR considered OK, because it's considered to be just an extension of body's blood flow.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

lancepioch wrote: post #62
Mizza wrote: post #18

Extremely freaking cool. Any idea how this stuff is manufactured? Can it be produced cheaply enough to potentially replace the entire blood donation system?

It seems like they are able to take existing blood and modify the type so that even people that aren't universal blood donors can still have it used on anybody that needs it.

And, arguably more importantly, it has a shelf life of over a year at room temp, as opposed to weeks/days even when refrigerated.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by johnkpaul »

francislavoie wrote: post #83
johnkpaul wrote: post #50

You think this was made for human patients with any blood type? Fools. This is True Blood™️.

I miss that show. So much fun.

Me too! I was so disappointed that the spin off never happened.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

solidasparagus wrote: post #27
njsubedi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In under-developed countries like Nepal, yes. Every year women from rural villages lose their lives because of excessive bleeding. No nearby health facility has a blood type segmentation facility; let alone a blood bank. If the government could provide the artificial blood to such rural villages, we could expect to reduce the maternal mortality rate of Nepal to a great extent.

So the core issue here is you can't know what type of blood to give? Why would artificial blood solve the problem of no nearby blood banks?

Per the article, natural blood has to be refrigerated and only lasts for a few weeks, while this stuff is good for over a year at room temp. You wouldn't need a blood bank. Every local clinic could keep a few bags in the supply closet.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by JoelMcCracken »

Blakestr wrote: post #77
JoelMcCracken wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand this is a personal matter but I will not accept anything that I know of having been derived from blood.

I'm curious about the range of derivation from blood. For example, if I took a sample of your blood and made a product that was essentially cloning your blood, would that be the same? Some people's spiritual rejections lie more in the "we're playing God we shouldn't do x" whereas what you are describing is something in regard to the sanctity of the blood. Actually to further my understand, would you be permitted to r…

Sure, no worries. I am happy to answer questions.

This is a complex question. Some things are clear, some are less so. Basically in the Christian Greek scriptures I believe this is only mentioned once: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/a...

Here is more info: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-...

Our feelings are that blood is sacred, and once it leaves the body it should return to the ground. Basically, blood is life, and life belongs to Jehovah.

Cloning blood would be wrong because its misusing something that has specific guidelines around its use. If you could clone the blood without like actually drawing blood from someone for the procedure, I guess that would be OK. This is weird and I am not totally sure.

We would not be OK with storing our own blood for future use, as this would be a kind of usage, and is contrary to the instructions to pour it out. And this would also be considered consumption/not abstaining.

As I think about this, though, it makes me think about using blood in the contexts of blood testing. Hmm.

Anyway I mean the scriptures give some instructions and we are doing our best to extrapolate to other situations. Things aren't always cut and dry. We just do our best to understand.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by JoelMcCracken »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #81
Blakestr wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the range of derivation from blood. For example, if I took a sample of your blood and made a product that was essentially cloning your blood, would that be the same? Some people's spiritual rejections lie more in the "we're playing God we shouldn't do x" whereas what you are describing is something in regard to the sanctity of the blood. Actually to further my understand, would you be permitted to r…

GP may be more up to date, but from I remember from previous decade, cloning blood would be no-go, and so your own blood that was stored outside of your body. Cardiopulmonary bypass was AFAIR considered OK, because it's considered to be just an extension of body's blood flow.

Things have not changed much. Cardiopulmonary bypass is considered OK, as well as other devices that might be considered as extensions. An individual might still choose to not accept such treatment.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by Blakestr »

JoelMcCracken wrote: post #87
Blakestr wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about the range of derivation from blood. For example, if I took a sample of your blood and made a product that was essentially cloning your blood, would that be the same? Some people's spiritual rejections lie more in the "we're playing God we shouldn't do x" whereas what you are describing is something in regard to the sanctity of the blood. Actually to further my understand, would you be permitted to r…

Sure, no worries. I am happy to answer questions. This is a complex question. Some things are clear, some are less so. Basically in the Christian Greek scriptures I believe this is only mentioned once: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/a... Here is more info: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-... Our feelings are that blood is sacred, and once it leaves the body it s…

Thank you for taking the time to explain that - it seems the "abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,from what is strangled, and from blood" is obviously a literal interpretation. "From what is strangled and from blood" I always took as profiting from war or suffering but I understand that the challenges of scripture is determine what is literal and what is metaphorical - there's also the concept of what is an "idol" and how is it polluting.

I appreciate you clarifying this. I think I understand a bit more, that there are some aspects of medical science construed as idolatrous, as perhaps glorifying an institution of man and not God.

Have you ever heard of any talk of a ceremony that would somehow reconcile these elements? Again I'm ignorant of JW doctrine and priests don't seem as prevalent, but I'm wondering if there could ever be room for some type of transfusion ceremony that allowed for this, in the precense of correct scripture and religious authority, that was "in the service to Jehovah." Sort of a "Deo volente" thing.

Re: Artificial blood developed for patients of any blood type, researchers say

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Post by m-p-3 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #84
lancepioch wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like they are able to take existing blood and modify the type so that even people that aren't universal blood donors can still have it used on anybody that needs it.

And, arguably more importantly, it has a shelf life of over a year at room temp, as opposed to weeks/days even when refrigerated.

That is quite an achievement!
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