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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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I beleive that the unicode consortium have chosen not to say much about witch flags are there pretty much for this reason. They don't want unicode to get mixed in with international politics.

There is no truly neutral position though. Who gets the final say then?

Have you seen unicode? They usually err on the side of including everything, including, e.g., alphabets of fictional languages.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this?

If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me.

Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use my entitlement/privilege as an engineer to say "fuck off" to anyone who wants me to do things I find immoral. Furthering the needs of a power hungry regime looking to assert dominance over others? Nope. I spend all my day working to further democracy and freedom, not to enable free thought and self-determination to be squashed.

Whoever coded this change and approved this PR, shame on you.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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This is a simplistic view. When push comes to shove, companies don't behave with political principles. Apple is not going to throw away access to 1/6 of world's population over a political dispute. It's unrealistic to expect any company to, if they're sufficiently large. The only way to achieve political goals is to apply political pressure directly at the state level, or to work with domestic movements that seek to…

"What does it benefit to gain the whole world if you lose your soul?" - Jesus

Most famously quoted in the play "A Man for all Seasons"

"It profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... But for Wales?"

Thomas More is convicted and will be executed, on the false evidence of a man who he now sees is wearing a chain of office, he asks to see the chain (thereby establishing for the audience what the reward was for lying to secure More's conviction). The chain is for the Attorney General for Wales, prompting this line.

In reality Richard Rich was given a slightly different job with a longer title that doesn't afford such a fun line and of course we can't prove he got it for his deceits, though he does seem like he wasn't on the whole a truthful and upstanding person.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

Perhaps that engineer had a baby on the way and was terrified of losing health coverage, or was in the United States on an H1B visa and was afraid they'd be deported...

I'd probably have made the same decision as you (I'm fortunate to have a safety net), but many people don't have that luxury.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

You can easily build the feature that can be misused. Think of it as a general region filter or an emoji set to increase engagement.

You want to ensure your design team and product matches the demographic you're trying to target so you can choose which ones are approved for that area. Completely reasonable, not a malicious feature to build either.

Except when it prevents you from selling your device in China.

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What's the worth of this? The local law says HK is part of China, and automatically Apples has to abide to local law, which states China view Taiwan not as an independent nation. What's so surprising?!

> HK […] Taiwan

Dear Chinese keyboard warrior, you seem to be mixing up a former British colony and a beleaguered sovereign nation in a single sentence. But your English is getting better I guess, so there is that.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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There is no truly neutral position though. Who gets the final say then?

Have you seen unicode? They usually err on the side of including everything, including, e.g., alphabets of fictional languages.

Those fictional languages' mere existence isn't perceived as a threat by any government, though.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

Ideally the foot soldiers in charge of implementing should have a background in ethics and morals; however, the change would be made by someone else.

There might have been several resignations over this change - you do not have the full picture. However, any number of resignations would not impact this directive being implemented.

The one to implement it - yes, they are anti-democratic. But we also need to acknowledge that one of the richest, most influential institutions on the planet is also anti-democratic...

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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What's it take for an engineer in the US to actually do something like this? If my boss/product manager wanted me to do something like this, I'd be calling them out for shitty politics, and telling them they need to find a new engineer because I'd quit immediately - and likely incite others to come with me. Maybe I have a higher sense of morality than others, but I'm no shill for China's power over Taiwan. I can use…

Perhaps that engineer had a baby on the way and was terrified of losing health coverage, or was in the United States on an H1B visa and was afraid they'd be deported... I'd probably have made the same decision as you (I'm fortunate to have a safety net), but many people don't have that luxury.

I agree. We shouldn't blame the engineer but the managers asking for this in the first place and knowing they can get away with any sort of "small pressures" they put on their employees.
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