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Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by jrockway »

headsupftw wrote: post #91
degenerate wrote: post #6

The degree that China goes to censor things reminds me of kindergarten. Pull the shades down, and kids won't want to go outside? Is it simply a reminder to their people of who's in charge, at this level of pettiness?

The United States doesn't officially recognize Taiwan as a country. Taiwan is not a member of the United Nations. Apple's revenue in Taiwan is peanuts compared to that of mainland China. The list goes on.

We might not officially recognize them as a country, but we do have a law called the "Taiwan Relations Act".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by mikelyons »

squarefoot wrote: post #122
mikelyons wrote: post #27

To fight the censorship cancer, would the western world have to agree to exclude and isolate China? Would this inevitably end up in a west vs. China+Russia world war? Will China eventually grow to the size that it can successfully invade and annex the west? One Earth = one China?

"To fight the censorship cancer, would the western world have to agree to exclude and isolate China?" I would rather wait the day our beloved western world agrees on a single, objective, independent definition on what censorship is, then I would want to see people like Snowden, Manning, Assange and similar others walk free and unharmed. That day I could concede we would have superior moral grounds to exclude and isol…

Can you extrapolate about the link between whistle-blowers and the definition of censorship?

It's unclear to me what point you're intending to make.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by alkonaut »

navigatesol wrote: post #86
alkonaut wrote: post #23

Stop sucking up to dictatorships. If they don't want to do business with you because your map or flags or search engine shows something they don't like - leave. Don't censor your search engine or modify your maps to fit their worldview.

> Stop sucking up to dictatorships. I bet people have already begun weaning themselves off Apple products! Just kidding. Most people expect others to do something, but take no direct action themselves. Pity.

Hey I whined on a forum I think that's enough political action for one day? I have mobile games to catch up with on my iPhone now.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by godelski »

est31 wrote: post #88
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is showing the ability to control one of the world's largest, and most advanced companies. It isn't petty–it is scary. The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs.

Currently, most of China's power comes from its economy. There is barely any military presence outside of the mainland, and only a few years ago they opened their first outpost. So it's not surprising that Apple is conforming to their requests. And they are not the only ones. A while back, German carmaker Daimler made an instagram post with a Dalai Lama quote [1]. They ended up apologizing for "hurting the feelings o…

Isn't that what the newest South Park was about? [0] US companies bending to the political will of China because money.

I remember a NPR broadcast a few years ago (when the female ghost busters movie came out) about how movies have become less progressive because they are targeted at world audiences. I think a lot of Westerners feel weird about this, but I think getting involved in the politics is even a step further (especially when we're seeing an human rights violations).

[0] https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s23e02-band-in-china

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by blotter_paper »

gtirloni wrote: post #78
blotter_paper wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As if the US hadn't sold their soul already? :/ I'm not trying to downplay the horrors of China, but let's not act like the US had clean hands before importing bulk electronics.

Always this same comment when anyone points the finger at China.

The comment I was replying to implicitly suggested the US had a "soul" prior to engaging in business with China, I wasn't the one who brought up the US. If I had brought up the US out of the blue I'd agree that it was an irrelevant whataboutism, but in this context I feel it was entirely appropriate and on topic.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by est31 »

friendlybus wrote: post #154
est31 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, most of China's power comes from its economy. There is barely any military presence outside of the mainland, and only a few years ago they opened their first outpost. So it's not surprising that Apple is conforming to their requests. And they are not the only ones. A while back, German carmaker Daimler made an instagram post with a Dalai Lama quote [1]. They ended up apologizing for "hurting the feelings o…

China has military control over the south China sea and a lot of the oil imports to SEA countries. Assuming the US pulls out, Japan, south Korea, Australia will all face strategic challenge from China over the next few decades. The US refuses to see China as a strategic threat, and only as a economic challenge. Australia is looking into getting 16-32 submarines ordered right now, to cover for future defense outcomes.…

That's why I said currently. I completely agree with you that the chinese military will increase in power and relevance.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by jrockway »

thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #111
paxys wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true for every country in the world. Google Maps in the US displays borders/countries which the US government recognizes.

China is the only country in the world that requires Google Maps servers to be ran on Chinese government data centers by non-Google employees.

Korea has similar regulations:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/one-thing-north-k...

If you zoom in on South Korea you'll notice that the map tiles are raster-based instead of vector-based like the rest of the map. At certain zoom levels, South Korea looks like it has no roads or cities, compared to the much more industrious North. It's kind of hilarious.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by adt2bt »

erk__ wrote: post #158
dirtyid wrote: post #139

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Related to the original discussion, I wonder if there's a story behind how Taiwan got a emoji flag in the first place. Unicode Consortium referenced ISO 3166 for eligibility. Taiwan and a few other disputed regions didn't the cut until 3166-2 revision. The maintenance agency consists of representative from only western agencies. Interesting politics.

I beleive that the unicode consortium have chosen not to say much about witch flags are there pretty much for this reason. They don't want unicode to get mixed in with international politics.

There is no truly neutral position though. Who gets the final say then?

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by jrockway »

CoconutPilot wrote: post #77

Apple stood up to the US government's requests to decrypt devices but capitulated to China's request to remove an image of another country's flag. This is scarey.

In the US, we have a legal framework to resolve disputes with the government. In China, they don't.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by filoleg »

baybal2 wrote: post #133
jaynetics wrote: post #79

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> The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs. This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are? In truth, I think most people are simply unaware of the many problems caused both by consumerism, and the moral spinelessness of pretty much all large corporations and how that is brought about by market forces. Even in…

> The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs. I believe it's more appropriate to say that they sold their souls at 230 dollars per share.

> they sold their souls at 230 dollars per share

I realize you are referencing something specific, but I wanted to make sure I got it correctly. Current TSLA share price?

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