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Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that is what they mean by "all computer users". You can not be a part of a lynch mob, and still take issue with Stallman's statements / behavior.

But the lynch mob is still there and defends its cancel culture. You can see them all over Twitter. They are ruthless .

That's not really relevant to what the folks who wrote that letter means by "all computer users".

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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If I believed for a second that any successor candidate to lead the GNU project gave as much of a fuck about software and personal freedom as Stallman did/does, I might support them. My confidence that this will transpire, however, is not high.

There are lots of us who care. We can preserve software freedom with the same stubborn, uncompromising attitude without having to also alienate the very people we wish to help.

And when it's your head that Sarah Mei and Sage Sharp are calling for, will you hold the line?

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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Oh my god. " all computer users" with the implication that Stallman is not representing the ones who demand to go straight to lynch mob behavior without a shadow if due process as soon as the word "sexual" is mentioned? And therefore Stallman should be thrown out of the project that is his creation and life's work? That's got to be one of the most forced political readings ever of that point in the manifesto. Well, i…

Due process is for the court.

If you ousted yourself as an asshole in public, people not wanting to associate with you isn't legal, it's civilized society.

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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fuck the GNU project. I no longer can take it seriously after the events that have occurred. Disgusting bunch of people.

That "disgusting bunch of people" wrote a ton of the underlying software that powers the internet. You might not like them, but show a little respect.

I don't show respect to people that throw their leader under the bus at the first sign of trouble. They have achieved some cool technical stuff but that is no excuse for being a sad sack of a human.

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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> We, the undersigned GNU maintainers and developers, … [18 signatures] Does anyone happen to of know what fraction of GNU maintainers those 18 names represent? Does this represent a majority of GNU maintainers or a small fraction?

Here's [1] the list of contributors to GNU. Note that it also includes past contributors. [1] https://www.gnu.org/people/

> Here's [1] the list of contributors to GNU. Note that it also includes past contributors.

For the curious, this list contains roughly[0] 242 names.

The number of maintainers is surely much smaller than the number of contributors, however.

[0]: More specifically, the `#content` `div` on that page contains exactly 242 `h4` elements, all of which appear to be names of past/current contributors

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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How mechanically centralized is leadership in the GNU project? Does rms sign off on every change? I'm wondering how expensive it would be (assuming he does not want to step down) for the community to fork away from him or route around him.

In practice, GNU is almost nothing. Years ago there was more cohesion, and there are some guidelines that GNU maintainers nominally follow, but in practice each GNU package mostly does its own thing. A lot of decisions are made in a don't-tell-mom kind of way, i.e. we just try to make sure that rms doesn't notice when we do something he doesn't like, such as calling it win32/win64 instead of w32/w64 like he prefers.…

So I guess this is just an opportunity for you to get rid of Stallman.

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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If I believed for a second that any successor candidate to lead the GNU project gave as much of a fuck about software and personal freedom as Stallman did/does, I might support them. My confidence that this will transpire, however, is not high.

It being open source means that you can in fact fork any part of it or even all of it. You can make OSAG (our software aint GNU) tomorrow and people might make fun but nobody will deny your freedom to do so. It's just that fracturing resources more based on ideology might not be terribly beneficial.

Re: Joint Statement on the GNU Project

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I would suggest GNU people to not rush into decisions, the things are too heated at this moment, I am afraid we get a fracture of the project. I am also having a bad feeling that Linus Torwalds is next, that a list of 20 years old emails is already prepared and some people are ready to tweat something that maybe happened long in the past that made them uncomfortable. Maybe that public apology Linus did this year was…

It is alleged by another controversial figure to have already happened https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/06/linus_torvalds_targ...
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