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Re: Single malt Scotch whisky targeted by United States tariffs

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Post by defertoreptar » Sun, Oct 06, 2019, 2:16 PM UTC

inferiorhuman wrote: post #59

defertoreptar wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing contends otherwise: > Myth: Aerospace is different from other industries and requires some level of government support. > Fact: Boeing has proven otherwise. We have financed all of our new airplane programs without the kind of government handout that launch aid represents. http://www.boeing.com/company/key-orgs/government-operations...

Do you expect Boeing to come out and say they accept subsidies when their whole business model is to sue the competition? https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-boein... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/boeings-historic-t... Boeing doesn't necessarily get direct subsidies but they get hefty tax breaks. Boeing will almost certainly get bailed out by the feds if the MAX or 777X come close to ba…

> Do you expect Boeing to come out and say they accept subsidies when their whole business model is to sue the competition?

I don't have to, since Boeing already came out and said as much on the URL I posted. They make a distinction between legal and illegal subsidies recognized by the WTO.

Re: Single malt Scotch whisky targeted by United States tariffs

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Oct 06, 2019, 2:49 PM UTC

anonytrary wrote: post #44

crazy1van wrote: post #4

The EU subsidized Airbus, which hurt the American company, Boeing. Therefore, all Americans have to pay 25% more for european wines, cheeses, and whiskey. How does this make any sense?

It's a pretty simple theory -- if Americans have to pay 25% more for certain European goods, then they will be incentivized to purchase those goods elsewhere, therefore hurting Europe. Of course, this assumes the goods are fungible; this could backfire if no suitable substitute exists for those goods.

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Re: Single malt Scotch whisky targeted by United States tariffs

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Post by riffraff » Sun, Oct 06, 2019, 4:14 PM UTC

molmalo wrote: post #47

riffraff wrote: post #32

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You can actually get many kinds of cheese which is similar to parmigiano in Europe. Grana Padano is a much less expensive protected hard cheese, and many producers have similar non-protected cheese (Biraghi is a very large producer, for example). There's usually plenty of mixed pre-grated cheese bags too. The point is: it's not called parmigiano or parmesan, as that would be cheating the consumer.

> as that would be cheating the consumer. That's the excuse, it's more about pleasing the local producers, as Denomination of origin laws generally are. As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. That is, if it tastes the same or better, and is cheaper.... I don't care if it was produced 100 meters from my house outside of Europe, or in the basement of a 1300-year old chu…

> As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product.

that's great, as you're free to buy any of the things not called "Parmigiano". There's plenty of awesome stuff which is not PDO/PGI.

The only reason you would call something unrelated "parmigiano" is if you wanted to attach yourself to the concept of "premium" without having to follow the same rules.

You can absolutely make a great succesful product and not give a damn about denomination of origin rules.

Bolgheri Sassicaia[0], for example, established itself as a fantastic wine without having an italian DOC(G) classification, until one was defined explicitly for it.

> So, in my opinion, the concept of Denomination of Origin ends up being a legalized scam, as it end ups cheating more on the consumer, because in reality it doesn't necessarily mean the product is of better quality (as it's often advertised).

But that is true of any advertisement. I agree that the basic denomination of origin does not imply quality, but I don't see how removing it improves things.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuta_San_Guido

Re: Single malt Scotch whisky targeted by United States tariffs

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Post by snagglegaggle » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 4:14 PM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #73

molmalo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as that would be cheating the consumer. That's the excuse, it's more about pleasing the local producers, as Denomination of origin laws generally are. As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. That is, if it tastes the same or better, and is cheaper.... I don't care if it was produced 100 meters from my house outside of Europe, or in the basement of a 1300-year old chu…

> As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. that's great, as you're free to buy any of the things not called "Parmigiano". There's plenty of awesome stuff which is not PDO/PGI. The only reason you would call something unrelated "parmigiano" is if you wanted to attach yourself to the concept of "premium" without having to follow the same rules. You can absolutely make a g…

My experience is that it's basically impossible to find an equivalent product without allowing the use of the place name as a general adjective.

In the US origin is separate and required. So, if you want Parmesan from Parma you can still be sure you'll get it.