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U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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"A judge there dismissed the case, citing the 2014 Supreme Court ruling, since Nevada wage laws track their federal counterparts. The Cincinnati, Ohio-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2018 overturned that decision."

So, if the appeals court overturned the dismissal, wouldn't the appeal the Supreme Court denied be to uphold it, meaning that the case should be moving forward? Such a badly worded article.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

#4
So, trying to follow the sequence of thrown out and overturned, it seems like now it would be going all the way back down to the original court that threw out the lawsuit to go forward? Seems crazy that it's taking this long to settle the question.

Tangentially it seems crazy they're not required to pay for the time spent going through security. If they're paid hourly and not free to go they're still on the job.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

#5
It seems eminently reasonable and obvious that workers should be compensated for performing the Duties of their job while at work or in premises. Clearly submitting to a security check before being allowed to leave work is an obligation they incur as an employee.

They should not be able to “clock out” until after such security checks.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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I find the this whole wage debate rather interesting, because it is not only an extremely misunderstood issue, at the same times as it is a core measure of the condition of society (Please do not confuse that with a notion of "health", but rather the objective "condition" of the society, also not just the economy)

The ideal state of any economy is one in which balance of opportunities exists to the point where an equilibrium is created between employers and employees, or even the transmutation of employees into employers; where you are paid what an efficient profit seeking employer is able to pay and what you ask for as you sell your labor (encompassing all manner of work).

What we unfortunately today have, most notably in the USA, is not only a distorted, but also a deliberately and intentionally distorted labor market in which the ruling class puts immense pressure on the scales against the working class in order to manipulate the system and market, which amounts to fraud. It comes in various forms, but one of them is relevant to this issue, that being the importation of subversive labor to artificially drive down wages in order to turn the delta into profits.

That's what this story is about, as much as the immigration issue that the ruling class has convinced the "liberal" side of the political spectrum to champion, against the interest of the working people they claim to champion, and for the profit of the ruling class, whether by corporate profit or personal savings when they hire nannies, cooks, maids, landscapers, etc. about their homes.

As interesting as I find this issue in a general sense, it is also sad watching what amounts to the ruling class manipulating and deceiving and defrauding the ordinary people no differently than they have for hundreds of years, including things like convincing regular people that "immigration" is wonderful, while not explaining the fact that without immigration people would be far far better off.

Immigration is a ruling class con job, on both the origin and destination end. On the destination end it leads to things like this subject article where workers are desperately trying ad hoc procedures to untangle the gordian knot that could easily be undone by ceasing immigration, and on the originating end the destination ruling class are syphoning off human resources that could have led to the development of the originating country, while also sabotaging destination workers and people; while the origin ruling class is happy to be rid o the motivated and driven people who could likely organize and demand changes that would see their rule challenged.

I got a bit off track, but as much as I find that people have a hard time understanding that this subject issue is directly related to the exploitative and fraudulent and manipulative practice of "immigration", aka, shifting human resources around globally to serve the ruling class; I also wish I could understand why people do not seem to want to accept that reality as they fawn over the ruling class that sabotages them for personal profit, while at the same time lamenting the ruling class' exploitative nature otherwise. It's quite an odd phenomenon.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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post #4

So, trying to follow the sequence of thrown out and overturned, it seems like now it would be going all the way back down to the original court that threw out the lawsuit to go forward? Seems crazy that it's taking this long to settle the question. Tangentially it seems crazy they're not required to pay for the time spent going through security. If they're paid hourly and not free to go they're still on the job.

> Tangentially it seems crazy they're not required to pay for the time spent going through security. If they're paid hourly and not free to go they're still on the job.

It’s an asshole move for sure. I hope they are forced to pay up, and then they will invest in streamlining the process.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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post #3

"A judge there dismissed the case, citing the 2014 Supreme Court ruling, since Nevada wage laws track their federal counterparts. The Cincinnati, Ohio-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2018 overturned that decision." So, if the appeals court overturned the dismissal, wouldn't the appeal the Supreme Court denied be to uphold it, meaning that the case should be moving forward? Such a badly worded article.

Agreed. The title - "rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal" doesn't even make it clear which side filed the appeal which was rejected.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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post #4

So, trying to follow the sequence of thrown out and overturned, it seems like now it would be going all the way back down to the original court that threw out the lawsuit to go forward? Seems crazy that it's taking this long to settle the question. Tangentially it seems crazy they're not required to pay for the time spent going through security. If they're paid hourly and not free to go they're still on the job.

> Tangentially it seems crazy they're not required to pay for the time spent going through security. If they're paid hourly and not free to go they're still on the job. It’s an asshole move for sure. I hope they are forced to pay up, and then they will invest in streamlining the process.

> In its 2014 ruling in the case, the Supreme Court decided that under a 1947 law that amended the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, companies do not have to pay employees for the time they spend undergoing security checks.

It's a supreme court decision that is allowing Amazon to do this [0].

TL;DR the decision is solely on if the "activities are an intrinsic element of the employee’s primary job duties and one that cannot be skipped" and since they were "hired to retrieve products from warehouse shelves, not to undergo security screenings, and the company could eliminate the screenings altogether without impairing the employees’ ability to complete their work" Amazon/warehouse contractor didn't have to pay for it.

[0] https://www.idfa.org/news-views/headline-news/article/2014/1...

Re: U.S. Supreme Court rejects Amazon warehouse worker wage appeal

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It seems eminently reasonable and obvious that workers should be compensated for performing the Duties of their job while at work or in premises. Clearly submitting to a security check before being allowed to leave work is an obligation they incur as an employee. They should not be able to “clock out” until after such security checks.

I get what you're saying, but these are the ways that management finds the margins that allow you to receive cheap products on your doorstep in 2 days.
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