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Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#11

Post by sergiotapia »

bb101 wrote: post #6
Udo wrote: post #2

Thank you Dave Winer for creating RSS. For a while there, it seemed like we were on a path of making all data free, a truly decentralized web of information. I wish the internet would have continued on that route.

I use RSS multiple times a day through Feedly and Reeder. It is anything but dead.

It's been burning in my mind to build an RSS server that runs on your local machine with a single binary and you just add whatever sources you want.

1. It uses RSS where it's available.

2. It scrapes the content kinda like outline.com but local copies.

All data saved to your local machine, as flat files so you can use whatever backend mechanism you require.

I want to find some time this year and build this. Would anyone actually use this though?

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#12

Post by japanoise »

sergiotapia wrote: post #11
bb101 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use RSS multiple times a day through Feedly and Reeder. It is anything but dead.

It's been burning in my mind to build an RSS server that runs on your local machine with a single binary and you just add whatever sources you want. 1. It uses RSS where it's available. 2. It scrapes the content kinda like outline.com but local copies. All data saved to your local machine, as flat files so you can use whatever backend mechanism you require. I want to find some time this year and build this. Would any…

I kinda sorta use a local rss client myself, based on a screenshot I saw on someone's website: https://git.sr.ht/~japanoise/feedbag

I'd be interested in other folk's take on this.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#13

Post by ghaff »

fouc wrote: post #10
ghaff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're both right. Sure, you can use Feedly quite easily and a lot of sites, blogs, etc. still generate RSS feeds. On the other hand, it's not really a first-class citizen, it's not available on major services that want eyeballs, subscription fees, etc. And, frankly, a lot of us have just mostly gotten out of the habit of using it because we figure we'll learn about most interesting or important stuff on social media…

Perhaps we need to splinter the internet. A second-citizen only internet. A separate internet with strict open web considerations, federated protocols, rss, irc, or new updated things.

Isn't that kinda what we have?

You can write web apps rather than mobile apps, publish on open source publishing platforms, use IRC, use RSS, etc. Yes, there may be discoverability and other downsides but nothing is actually preventing you from avoiding walled gardens for the most part.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by AndrewDucker »

krick wrote: post #7
bb101 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use RSS multiple times a day through Feedly and Reeder. It is anything but dead.

Uh, sorta, kinda, I guess... It is a lot less alive than it should and could have been. Sure, you can set up your own web-server, install RSS reader on your phone and use RSS as a protocol to get updates of your cat coming in and out or whatever. But essentially all the major services heavily discourage its usage for the majority of users.

I've reading 74 sources via Feedly, including Hacker News, multiple newspapers, etc. That's a bit more than "my cat."

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by fouc »

ghaff wrote: post #13
fouc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps we need to splinter the internet. A second-citizen only internet. A separate internet with strict open web considerations, federated protocols, rss, irc, or new updated things.

Isn't that kinda what we have? You can write web apps rather than mobile apps, publish on open source publishing platforms, use IRC, use RSS, etc. Yes, there may be discoverability and other downsides but nothing is actually preventing you from avoiding walled gardens for the most part.

The problem is there's an arms race on web browsers and constant upgrading of OSes and software and hidden centralizing effects. So even if some group of people are using IRC and RSS, probably many of them are getting caught up in google, chrome, and the current centralizing trend of the current "Web"

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by olav »

sergiotapia wrote: post #11
bb101 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use RSS multiple times a day through Feedly and Reeder. It is anything but dead.

It's been burning in my mind to build an RSS server that runs on your local machine with a single binary and you just add whatever sources you want. 1. It uses RSS where it's available. 2. It scrapes the content kinda like outline.com but local copies. All data saved to your local machine, as flat files so you can use whatever backend mechanism you require. I want to find some time this year and build this. Would any…

Isn't this what Dave's River pieces are about, e.g. https://github.com/scripting/river5 ?

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#18

Post by ivanhoe »

pknerd wrote: post #4
Udo wrote: post #2

Thank you Dave Winer for creating RSS. For a while there, it seemed like we were on a path of making all data free, a truly decentralized web of information. I wish the internet would have continued on that route.

We can still get on track provided we do not get fascinated with Data Silos in the name of Social Media.

Unfortunately "data silos" are very convenient to end users, and also allow them to easily discover new content - which solves the main problem of the distributed content, the bad discoverability.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

#19

Post by chrisfinazzo »

CharlesW wrote: post #16
_pmf_ wrote: post #5

Very underrated pioneer in a lot of areas.

I find it sad that people would down-vote this. Regardless of how you feel about him personally, it'd be a different and far more silo'd internet without him.

I think his dust up with Google re HTTPS rubbed a bunch of people the wrong way. On one level, he's of an age where good intent was assumed on the web, so security wasn't a big concern.

(On that note, ask John Siracusa how it felt to have TTYs @ BU be "world-writable" in 1993)

On the other hand, that world is largely gone and the web is much more fraught with peril these days.

Re: Preparing for 25 Years

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Post by davewiner »

chrisfinazzo wrote: post #19
CharlesW wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it sad that people would down-vote this. Regardless of how you feel about him personally, it'd be a different and far more silo'd internet without him.

I think his dust up with Google re HTTPS rubbed a bunch of people the wrong way. On one level, he's of an age where good intent was assumed on the web, so security wasn't a big concern. (On that note, ask John Siracusa how it felt to have TTYs @ BU be "world-writable" in 1993) On the other hand, that world is largely gone and the web is much more fraught with peril these days.

In case anyone is wondering, this is the FAQ on Google and HTTP.

http://this.how/googleAndHttp

As far as I know they've never responded.

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