The notion that big brands do not want to advertise in "chaos" seems suspicious to me. In real life, there are Gucci ads right next to the homeless and drug addicts. People vandalize public ads with swastikas, Hitler beards and other sh*t, but brands do not care. Such incentives simply do not exist in real life, because nobody will realistically associate the ads with their coincidental context such as vandalism. I'm not seeing why this should be different on the internet. If it is, then I'd be interested in studies actually providing evidence for that.
Reddit, where chaos thrives, tries to clean up to attract ads from big brands
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Re: Reddit, where chaos thrives, tries to clean up to attract ads from big brands
#12Not even the internet is safe from gentrification.
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#13As with everything internet: good doesn't last. Now that Reddit has started its demise, where do we flok to next?
You're saying this on HN: a site that's vastly more regulated than reddit ever has been or is likely to be. I'm old enough to remember reddit before the days of subreddits. It wasn't a magnet for extreme content back then. That happened as a result of subreddits.
You are right, but HN is regulated. Reddit is moderated. On Reddit there are so many examples of straight bad moderation, personal feuds, and aberrant behavior recently. Take a peek at /r/watchredditdie.
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#14As with everything internet: good doesn't last. Now that Reddit has started its demise, where do we flok to next?
You're saying this on HN: a site that's vastly more regulated than reddit ever has been or is likely to be. I'm old enough to remember reddit before the days of subreddits. It wasn't a magnet for extreme content back then. That happened as a result of subreddits.
And that's why HN is only good for a very specific and narrow subtopic of the whole reddit universe. You can't even have decent political discussion here, not mentioning all the other Reddit's delightful crazyness.
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#15I think problem with Reddit advertising is that you at least could not before doing laser-focused campaigns like try to advertise people who are subscribed to ReasonML and sysadmin subreddits.
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#16The notion that big brands do not want to advertise in "chaos" seems suspicious to me. In real life, there are Gucci ads right next to the homeless and drug addicts. People vandalize public ads with swastikas, Hitler beards and other sh*t, but brands do not care. Such incentives simply do not exist in real life, because nobody will realistically associate the ads with their coincidental context such as vandalism. I'm…
Advertising on a neonazi blog is quite different than having a swastika tagged on top of your ad. The latter is quite clearly not your intent.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're saying this on HN: a site that's vastly more regulated than reddit ever has been or is likely to be. I'm old enough to remember reddit before the days of subreddits. It wasn't a magnet for extreme content back then. That happened as a result of subreddits.
Reddit and Hacker News aren’t really similar/comparable, and extreme content came much, much later than the existence of subreddits (and the admins took a very hands off approach to it then, too.)
Ah yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that subreddits immediately led to extreme content. However, they obviously are part of what enables it, since that stuff would never have got voted onto the reddit front page.
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#18As with everything internet: good doesn't last. Now that Reddit has started its demise, where do we flok to next?
I'm not sure if its really a demise. For 99% of users it doesn't matter or it's even positive to not be associated with groups about hate speech or similar stuff.
I’ve been on the site for 7 years (8 in a few days), have been part of the Century Club for 5 years and I would love to see the site with less bigotry. I would say it would be an improvement!
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#19As with everything internet: good doesn't last. Now that Reddit has started its demise, where do we flok to next?
You're saying this on HN: a site that's vastly more regulated than reddit ever has been or is likely to be. I'm old enough to remember reddit before the days of subreddits. It wasn't a magnet for extreme content back then. That happened as a result of subreddits.
>It wasn't a magnet for extreme content back then. That happened as a result of subreddits.
This.
And it's not just reddit. As long as you can create subgroups within communities you're eventually going to attract some problematic people. While something like CP on tumblr really brought it to light, tumblr was and still is home to some insanely extreme ideologies. Ideologies that some people find completely idiotic but which others truly believe in.
It's the same with other places, in case you weren't aware, Instagram has a ton of CP as well. With tags you can find dedicated groups of various different ideologies, a lot of them extremely problematic.
Same with Facebook and its tags/groups/whatever.
And of course Reddit and its subs.
This all stems from the fact that separating content into categories and tags that people can freely define, means that for people looking for extreme ideologies, it's trivial to find an echo chamber with just a tag or two.
Re: Reddit, where chaos thrives, tries to clean up to attract ads from big brands
#20I’m not sure why any company would pay money to advertise there, when you can easily buy upvotes instead. Sure it takes a little more creativity and a longer investment, but if the current front page is any guide, there are plenty of organizations that can do it.