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Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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oblio wrote: post #147
_2d30 wrote: post #120

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You said "US is by far the only market that Chinese phones haven't dominated" So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it??? Chinese phones don't dominate worldwide in the sense of geography. They dominate worldwide in the sense of units because they are the low margin, budget phone manufacturers supplying lower income parts of the world. Not a bad plac…

While you're partially right, I wouldn't look at the smartphone sales trends if I were you... Chinese phones were at something like 1% 5 years ago and now they're at 45%. There's also not much sign of them slowing down. Samsung was basically saved from being overtaken by Huawei as #1 by Trump's ban.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by toasterlovin »

mxuribe wrote: post #156
toasterlovin wrote: post #155

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At least capitalists can feed people.

Oh, they can...but the market forces that they follow tend not to incentivize the feeding of people unless there is some gain in it for them. /s Seriously though, I acknowledge and thank you for your opinion, but respectfully disagree.

Disagree all you want, but I can walk into any grocery store in America and get a day’s worth of we’ll balanced nutrition for under $3.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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School-Cotton wrote: post #188
post_below wrote: post #183

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*were

Tibetans still exist.

It was a joke... but also at least a million of them were killed, they're now an ethnic minority in Tibet, practice of their spiritual beliefs is either outright banned or strictly controlled.

Being Tibetan means something very different than it meant prior to 1959.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by mytailorisrich »

post_below wrote: post #193
School-Cotton wrote: post #188

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Tibetans still exist.

It was a joke... but also at least a million of them were killed, they're now an ethnic minority in Tibet, practice of their spiritual beliefs is either outright banned or strictly controlled. Being Tibetan means something very different than it meant prior to 1959.

90% of the population of Tibet is of tibetan ethnicity and there are areas of tibetan majority outside of the autonomous region (sometimes referred to as greater Tibet)

People practice their religion openly.

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Post by gandutraveler »

beerandt wrote: post #63
Synaesthesia wrote: post #55

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It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).

I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal? Or did you just mean stolen resources?

India had 25% of world's before Britishers arrived and sucked all the wealth to bring it down to 4% when they left. That's some serious exploitation.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by ksec »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #9
latchkey wrote: post #5

Samsung already makes most of their phones in Vietnam. Not a huge difference, other than the lack of tariffs. https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/04/12/why-samsung-of-sou...

I wonder why more producers haven't made this move? If Vietnam is there as far as infrastructure goes and they have the skilled/unskilled labor why is this not a more popular move. Also when we say "make" I assume we mean "assembles". Somewhat anecdotally I recently purchased a laptop and tried to find one that wasn't made in China and it was nigh on impossible.

I am somewhat surprised I am 24 hours and 175 comments late and yet no one has mentioned what I thought was the answer.

Samsung is an extreme vertically integrated company. As far as I am aware there isn't any other company on the planet that is remotely close to this level of integration. Not even Cargrill.

Samsung doesn't just make Display, NAND/ DRAM / Battery, Assembly, Controllers, MEMS, SoC, Foundry but also down to the Chemicals and Materials as well as actual assembly. Think of it as 80% of the whole Shenzhen Ecosystem.

So while other companies have difficulties moving off that Shenzhen Ecosystem, the reality is Samsung was never part of it. Samsung Mobile is the front line to drive all volumes for each of its subsidiary to a sustainable level, before these subsidiary graduate to start selling to third parties. For Samsung, it is only a matter of government signing an agreement to tariffs, clean water, electricity and all these basic infrastructure. And if the government have trouble getting those up, not to worry, you could paid Samsung and Samsung will built those for you ( Samsung is also a construction company ) and promise to hire enough local workers.

This is in deep contrast to Apple which doesn't actually own any part of the supply chain.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by School-Cotton »

post_below wrote: post #193
School-Cotton wrote: post #188

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Tibetans still exist.

It was a joke... but also at least a million of them were killed, they're now an ethnic minority in Tibet, practice of their spiritual beliefs is either outright banned or strictly controlled. Being Tibetan means something very different than it meant prior to 1959.

> they're now an ethnic minority in Tibet, practice of their spiritual beliefs is either outright banned or strictly controlled.

Not according to Wikipedia:

"In 2011 the Tibetan population was three million.[33] The ethnic Tibetans, comprising 90.48% of the population,[34] mainly adhere to Tibetan Buddhism and Bön, although there is an ethnic Tibetan Muslim community."

Also not according to my personal experience. I've never been to the Tibetan Autonomous Region, but I have been to an ethnically Tibetan part of Sichuan, and you certainly see a majority of people who look Tibetan, people speak the Tibetan language, taxi drivers ask if you don't mind if they stop and pray at Tibetan Buddhist shrines along the road, restaurants serve yak butter tea, and so on. There's simply no way to claim that Tibetan culture is gone or even endangered.

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Post by shardinator »

onecool wrote: post #180
shardinator wrote: post #72

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I don’t have a reference, but high quality steel making would be one.

You don't have a reference, because high quality steel was invented in the U.S. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a...

I'm talking about an earlier time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

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Post by Simulacra »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #124

Maybe this is a stupid/naive question but why doesn’t Samsung make their phones in Korea?

Probably labor cost.

An anecdote: There’s a really good book called China Inc. that has a story about a belt manufacture in America. The American executive tours a belt manufacture in China one day. He sees that all of the leather hides that have blemishes are being used whereas he would have to discard them. The Chinese factory had so many workers that were paid so little, they could afford to pay someone to cut out small, even tiny patches of leather, and glue them into the blemishes of the belts. It hit the guy so hard that he decided then and there to close his factory in America and move it to China.

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