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Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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I suspect this is primarily because the tax for leasing an EV is going to double by January (from 4% to 8%, vs 22% for ICEs, but still, double). So people whose work perks includes a lease car and who have been considering electrical, are all getting one quickly now. And the Model 3 is one of the better EVs on the market, so there you go.

Model 3 sales in NL will drop tremendously in 2020.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Hmm, how does this work? I imagine the government isn't in the business of operating charging stations, so it is some combination of subsidies and regulatory easing, or something more? Do they benefit Tesla Superchargers or have other EV charging standards capitalized on it as well?

You can find every this everywhere https://imgur.com/a/yH2qnnR It's not my car... I had humble bikes :)

Unfortunately the actual image doesn't seem to load for me.

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As someone who lived in Amsterdam for one year (I'm originally from Israel) I was extremely impressed by how the government create a solid infrastructure for electric car owners to charge their car batteries.

That sounds a bit like they are solving rich people's problems

People probably said the same when building the car infrastructure in the early 20th century.

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As someone who lived in Amsterdam for one year (I'm originally from Israel) I was extremely impressed by how the government create a solid infrastructure for electric car owners to charge their car batteries.

Hmm, how does this work? I imagine the government isn't in the business of operating charging stations, so it is some combination of subsidies and regulatory easing, or something more? Do they benefit Tesla Superchargers or have other EV charging standards capitalized on it as well?

Someone else posted a picture already, but The Netherlands has a nationwide network of municipal-run charging stations. In Amsterdam they're placed in the middle of two parking spaces and have two sockets that service those two spaces, which are reserved for EV charging.

If you buy an EV you can ask the municipality to install more of these parking spots, and depending on existing saturation they will.

You get an RFID card that you hold up to the charging station to activate it, and you're then charged for its use.

Here's more details: https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/parking/electric-charging/

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I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

Isn't running an internal combustion engine in a car still substantially less efficient than the power plant necessary to charge it, regardless of the fuel?

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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As someone who lived in Amsterdam for one year (I'm originally from Israel) I was extremely impressed by how the government create a solid infrastructure for electric car owners to charge their car batteries.

Hmm, how does this work? I imagine the government isn't in the business of operating charging stations, so it is some combination of subsidies and regulatory easing, or something more? Do they benefit Tesla Superchargers or have other EV charging standards capitalized on it as well?

The country works together with private business to promote the charging stations. The country office provides an overview of where they are, but the ownership of the stations is private.

Details (in dutch) https://www.eindhoven.nl/stad-en-wonen/stad/parkeren/oplaadp...

An overview, together with if they're currently occupied: https://oplaadpalen.nl/

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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As someone who lived in Amsterdam for one year (I'm originally from Israel) I was extremely impressed by how the government create a solid infrastructure for electric car owners to charge their car batteries.

That sounds a bit like they are solving rich people's problems

> Currently working on a network for remote workers

Sounds a bit like you're solving rich people's problems.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

Closing coal plaints only helps in part, as long as Germany keeps importing coal-generated electricity (from Poland or Czechia, for instance).

Germany is a net electricity exporter. So there is no large scale import of electricity of any kind into Germany. Of course, based on supply and demand, it might temporarily import electricity from other countires. Most overlooked though is, that like with car traffic, Germany is rather central in Europe. So a lot of electricity crosses Germany. A lot of the French nuclear energy is exported to Germany at the same time Germany is exporting the same amount (or more) to Austria or Belgium.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Tesla also has a final assembly plant in the Netherlands[1], nominally making the brand "native" (like Volvo before them). That usually results in better brand recognition and higher sales as well. I recently saw a post on social media where someone couldn't go to the dentist because the car was updating software. From the discussion I understand there is a "grace period" of 2 weeks before automatic updates, and that…

As an African I really want an electric car that just has a speedometer, airbags, range meter and nothing else. I can do without air condition, outside temperature sensor ... We already struggling to fix the modern petrol and diesel cars full of electronics.

You may be interested in following Sono motors.https://sonomotors.com/en/sion/

They are making a much simpler electric car with the ethos that anyone can fix it, with readily available parts and manuals/blueprints for every part of the car.

I am excited by it having solar panels as my average daily drive is probably in the region of 10 miles.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

However, it is up to you which utility to use. There are plenty which will not just do the basic green washing of buying certificates but also build their own green capacity in line with demand.

The "green washing" is paying for building green capacity in the EEA. It's your you & your coal-burning local utility sending money to sustainable power stations elsewhere in the EEA.
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