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Re: Pricing niche products

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There's even Keycon https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98877.0 If you want to see the full range and get a sense of what this is about: https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/ 1.6K seems a bit steep. You can find most kits in the low 00s However mechanical keyboards are popular with gamers and more about collectibles / art than anything, so price becomes less releva…

My Keyboard.io Model 1s are still my two favorite keyboards. I backed them on KickStarter and I'm glad I did. I'll still point out this article to Jesse and Kaia to make sure they're mindful of the option for future models.

The example on https://keyboard.io using RGB looks so tacky. Why mix light coloured wood with a rainbow RGB look? A simple vintage or black keyset would be more than sufficient.

A big part of mech keyboards are they designs and sadly both keyboard.io and Ergodox aren't the prettiest.

I'm curious why there's no companies producing economic split keyboards at scale and with a clean look.

Edit: the link above to https://www.dygma.com looks nice and simple, closer to what I'm looking for. Although it's still bought into the annoying RGB-everything trend.

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How would you apply a Vickrey auction to SaaS subscription pricing? The article gives an example for keyboards, where ten keyboards are for sale, and the top-ten customers pay the 11th price. But how would I apply this technique to software subscriptions, where I'd be happy to sell any number of them to willing buyers?

If you'd like to estimate your demand curve, you could run experiments where your landing page shows different price points to different users.

But I'd love to know how much each individual customer is actually willing to pay!

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These things have become so esoteric and expensive because the mechanical keyboard hobby is undergoing a more intense version of what happens to most hobbies/pastimes; the purpose of the hobby has transitioned from primarily "making/using the thing" to "obtaining and displaying ever more extreme versions of the thing to impress other people who know about the thing". I feel like this is an outgrowth of the basic huma…

I think this is so strong in the mechanical keyboard community because there's not a lot of "there" there I think cast iron frying pans are an even more emblematic example of what you're describing. It's a four thousand year old product with no moving parts that's long been mastered, but over the past 15 years they've transitioned into a hobby item with ever-more-expensive niche vendors (Finex, Butter Pat, etc.) sell…

Funny... my wife avoids status-chasing like the plague, yet giggled like a 12YO when she found her grandmother's ancient iron frying pan. She swears it is the best tool for the job, despite the fact that we have 3 others. Well-seasoned, indeed.

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Given these benefits, why aren’t such auctions more common in artisan manufacturing niches?

I had never heard of Vickrey auction. Knowing how to make some high quality artisan product in no way guarantees one also business savvy. In fact, it probably reduces the odds you know such.

The first two sound like “people are dumb amateurs who don’t like money”

Being a "dumb" amateur is sufficient. No need to act like lack of savvy means you don't like money.

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Apple users don't wear white ear buds to signal to one another, they do it exclusively to signal to people who don't have it that the apple user can afford product and symbol greatly in excess of the person. Or, you know, they're not interested in "signaling" anything, they're wearing them because they're the free ear buds that came with their smartphone and they're listening to music or making a phone call.

Right, and a decade of advertisements featuring those status symbols were pointless because no one cares about them. Alternatively: Or you know, mechanical keyboard users aren't interested in "signalling" anything, they're just using well manufactured accessories featuring high quality processes and materials.

So people are supposed to buy different earbuds so they're not signaling? Can't we then accuse them of signaling that they're not signaling? Doesn't that make your "wearing Apple earbuds = signaling" assumption completely pointless?

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It's a language learning curriculum in our case, so individual progress is tied to the subscription, making it undesirable to share (but possible s'pose)

Could you auction off private tutoring time? Or being first in line to pick the other website user you get to practice language with.

That's a great idea, like 50 hours of one-on-one tutoring available this month, and get private bids for that! Thanks! Let's keep brainstorming ^_^

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Those keyboard enthusiasts are in fact obsessing about the very same keyboards you mention, like the IBM Model M. One of those in good condition can be sold for quite a bit of money.

IIRC - the Model F keyboard of the old XT was one beast. I used have an XT I rescued from the trash; that thing had a solid aluminum case and weighed a ton. I love my Model M keyboards and my Unicomp - but I would love one of those older keyboards.

The feel of the model F keyboard (at the XT we both have) is unbeaten to me. Just wish I could get it in a _normal_ layout. I looked at the new model F F77 / F63 stuff just today sorrowing that I could not buy a 101 key layout at all.

Unicomp keyboards are great, they get too much flack IMO. Yes, they seem to be coasting at times, but I'd rather them coast than be gone.

Re: Pricing niche products

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If you'd like to estimate your demand curve, you could run experiments where your landing page shows different price points to different users.

But I'd love to know how much each individual customer is actually willing to pay!

Sounds like enterprise pricing with the stereotypical "contact us for pricing" text?

Also, having product tiers allows you to segment the market, which is another method to have people land closer to their maximum comfortable price.

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>Alternate layouts & ortholinear/ergonimic designs should be the forefront of the movement. Ehh. There are a lot of good reasons to have layouts that are fairly common across all the equipment you'll use. From what I've seen, while there may be some advantages to different layouts and configurations, very few things are so compelling as to warrant a wholesale change outside of some niches like court stenographers for…

I don't think consistency is an issue unless other people need to use the unusual equipment. For example I think most people who use dvorak on their personal system have no trouble at all switching back to qwerty as needed, at least that has been my experience.

I'm a 15 year dvorak user, and I can no longer type on qwerty keyboards at all — it's just hunt and peck really. But qwerty keyboards on the phone are just fine.

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When eBay first started, I loved the idea of auctions as a way to set market prices. From an economic and game-theory perspective, it is so optimal! Clearly as later examples like Amazon have shown, auctions don't make sense for most product categories. I believe this is mainly due to psychological reasons. Decision-fatigue is a real thing. People dislike having to think hard. In a fixed-price sale, the buyer just ha…

On top of decision fatigue and needing to know the market, losing auctions gets expensive fast if you value your time.

Hence the emergence of the middleman.
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