My first thought was that the motorcyclist in the picture almost deserves to be hit for driving illegally and dangerously between two cars - ie lane splitting. But from the comments, it does seem to be legal some places. But, in all other states in the US besides CA, it is explicitly illegal. It still seems unsafe even it is legal.
Its actually safer, if you bothered to google that either.
Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
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Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#12I don't see anything in the article about how they differentiated instances of "saw but failed to remember" from constant bearing decreasing range accidents which are well known. How is this different? Edit: Why the downvotes? Is my question probing at something people find incompatible with their ideology?
from the article: > Chapman always sent two vehicles from opposite sides of the road during those trials — either a car and a car, or a car and a motorcycle. Then, right after the participant pulled out, he would stop the test and ask them to use a laser pointer to point where the oncoming vehicle(s) had been on the screen. > What Chapman found was that, every once in a while, there were instances where the driver ha…
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#13My first thought was that the motorcyclist in the picture almost deserves to be hit for driving illegally and dangerously between two cars - ie lane splitting. But from the comments, it does seem to be legal some places. But, in all other states in the US besides CA, it is explicitly illegal. It still seems unsafe even it is legal.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2015/05/29/motorcycle-lanesplittin...
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#14I had an accident two months ago where something similar happened: I was waiting on my bike for an opening at a roundabout (rotary for US?) and the car behind me who saw me (he later confirmed it) started looking for a good timing to drive into the roundabout too and forgot about me. He then started accelerating to drive into the roundabout just behind another car while I was still right in front of him. He completel…
I was waiting to cross the street and a cyclist hit me, despite I was on the sidewalk, because he jumped on it full-speed to avoid the red light on the street.
He then ran away faster than the speed of light.
So.. yeah, please consider that bikes are dangerous too and most people just wanna walk.
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
from the article: > Chapman always sent two vehicles from opposite sides of the road during those trials — either a car and a car, or a car and a motorcycle. Then, right after the participant pulled out, he would stop the test and ask them to use a laser pointer to point where the oncoming vehicle(s) had been on the screen. > What Chapman found was that, every once in a while, there were instances where the driver ha…
I read TFA (hence my question). That passage you quoted (nor any other part of the article) does not answer my question as for how this is different than constant bearing decreasing range accidents which also happen more with "smaller than the observer is used to" objects. Basically your brain thinks the object is static (or slow moving enough to be static for all practical purposes) and stops processing there. I sti…
Later when the motorcycle is only in peripheral vision, it's quite likely that constant bearing decreasing range contributes to the motorcycle being forgotten.
But this doesn't change the thesis, which says that the motorcycle is more likely to be forgotten because it's smaller. Because it's smaller, it's more likely to have the constant bearing decreasing range error, which means it's more likely to be forgotten.
To summarize: the effect may be useful in understanding why this happens, but doesn't change the thesis.
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#16My first thought was that the motorcyclist in the picture almost deserves to be hit for driving illegally and dangerously between two cars - ie lane splitting. But from the comments, it does seem to be legal some places. But, in all other states in the US besides CA, it is explicitly illegal. It still seems unsafe even it is legal.
- If there's a gap ahead in stopped traffic, assume a car will pull across it and adjust your speed and attention accordingly
- If it looks like a car will change lanes without indicating, assume they're going to do it
- Assume nobody can see you and ride accordingly
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#171. When crossing a car that could potentially accelerate into your path, train yourself to keep a hand on your front brake.
2. Get better at emergency stops. Train your self to "wait for the weight", meaning progressively apply front brake so that the weight of the bike transfers to the front tire before full application. Practice emergency stops so you don't end up with a fist full of brake or over-hammer the rear. Try to train yourself to at least glance in the mirror when doing an emergency stop, to see if what is behind you could be more dangerous than what's in front.
3. Get your bike ready for emergency stops. Buy a bike with ABS, if possible. In the states, ABS is not yet the law for new bikes, but the decrease in insurance premiums usually means that ABS is practically free. Also, don't cheap out on tires - get high quality tires that match your riding (warm/cold, wet/dry, etc.)
4. Buy a tail light blinker - when your brakes are applied, it blinks the tail lights, and makes it much more obvious that you are stopping.
5. This may be a bit contriversial - I try to get near one side of the lane when I stop. My theory is that if a car is coming in "too hot", it gives them the chance to swerve and hit the car in front of you.
6. Be seen. I don't think that guy got the huge bike for visibilility like the caption said, I think he just likes Honda Goldwings. The real way to be seen is to wear neon (or at least loud colors) and add running lights to your bike.
7. After reading tons of accident reports in my area, I can say to be extremely careful when taking a passenger. There seems to be a lot of accidents on country roads with riders 2-up that get hit by cars or deer. My theory (also from taking on riders) is that the 2nd rider is a significant detriment to manuverability, and manuverability is the motorcycle rider's main positive safety attribute. Just take it slow when 2-up, and stay off the road when the deer are out.
8. This one I can't stress enough - don't become complacent. The majority of rider deaths are those over 50 in the U.S. Always look at cars like they are going to try to turn on you. Look at cars in the oncoming lane - are they slowing down? They could try to turn on you, cover the brake. I have found that this mindset gets pretty exhausting in urban traffic, and I have changed my riding habits to ride out in the country roads more than urban.
9. Wear a helmet and use the strap! I can't count how many YouTube videos of crashes that I have seen where the helmet ways lying 15 feet from the accident because the rider didn't strap it down.
10. Buy an appropriate bike. Smaller bikes are safer. It's in the U.S. safety statistics (DOT? can't remember which one) that the larger the bike, the more dangerous. My theory is that large bikes are less manuverable, which accounts for a lot of it. I'm not going to try to talk anyone of their liter bike, but please be realistic with your skills, and remember you can always trade up to more powerful as you gain skills. It took me 10 years of riding before I felt comfortable on my 125HP Kawi Z900. More a thing of maturity and restraint than the ability to control the bike (which has a great progressive powerband, easy to go slow).
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#18The first rule of motorcycling, that you accept when you swing your leg over a bike, is that no matter whose fault any collision might be, it is your responsibility and yours alone to anticipate and avoid all such incidents.
"But he pulled out in front of me" is never a valid excuse for hitting a car. You should have seen them. You should have slowed to a speed where you could evade or stop in time. You should have anticipated their dumbassery and accounted for it.
If you're not willing to accept responsibility for your own wellbeing you should not be on a bike, full stop.
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#19Drivers have to sort threats in terms of risk. Cycles, motorized or not, are simply not as much of a threat as cars/trucks. So it makes sense that they would fall off the bottom first. Cars are dangerous to things that are less dangerous than cars and it is inherent I think. At some point we are going to have to stop blaming the driver for stuff like this and place the blame directly on the use of cars. The only real mistake a driver makes is to decide to drive somewhere in the first place.
Re: Lethal memory fail: Why drivers see, and then forget motorcyclists
#20My first thought was that the motorcyclist in the picture almost deserves to be hit for driving illegally and dangerously between two cars - ie lane splitting. But from the comments, it does seem to be legal some places. But, in all other states in the US besides CA, it is explicitly illegal. It still seems unsafe even it is legal.
I used to lane split when I had a motorcycle as the highway traffic was terrible for my morning commute and it was generally fine, though you would occasionally get an idiot doing that thing some drivers do where they indicated a lane change as they were doing it and without checking mirrors so you have to be very careful.