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Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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Re: Political Operatives Faked Millions of Comments Against Net Nuetrality

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This is old news, well known and literally the whole "comments" was a sham anyway. The voting was controlled by 5 people and split on party lines 3-2 [0]. NN was never actually up for debate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S... - last paragraph

Wasn't aware of it though. Why can't news be slow?

Agreed. Nothing wrong with writing about "old" news. Just because I / you / anyone might already know something doesn't mean everybody does, and even if we already know something doesn't mean revisiting it is pointless.

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This is old news, well known and literally the whole "comments" was a sham anyway. The voting was controlled by 5 people and split on party lines 3-2 [0]. NN was never actually up for debate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S... - last paragraph

Wasn't aware of it though. Why can't news be slow?

Because then it isn't news anymore. It is history, and it's probably better found on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United...

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Astroturfing, troll farms, and AI driven slide bots are the future of discourse where the stakes are high and the conversation is in any way connected to the internet.

This will affect all parties on all sides of all debates.

I have no idea what this means for society or what should be done about it.

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The story is that citizen have nothing to gain from anti net neutrality laws. So basically, all comments against net neutrality are either faked or by someone who has skin in the game. People ought to go to jail for this kind of crap.

I'm right there with you that "this sort of thing", i.e. deliberately subverting the process of democracy, should be a serious crime on par with treason.

However, can we qualitatively define a line that demarcates "honest communication" from "malicious attempts to change public opinion"? You can't make it a crime to try convince people of things. The basic intent we would like to capture is it should be illegal to lie for political gain, including subtle lies of omission like anonymously pretending on the internet that you're a disinterested bystander. But lying is a very slippery concept to legally define (as is "political gain").

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Astroturfing, troll farms, and AI driven slide bots are the future of discourse where the stakes are high and the conversation is in any way connected to the internet. This will affect all parties on all sides of all debates. I have no idea what this means for society or what should be done about it.

Welcome to the post-truth society.

Where this will end nobody knows, but that it will take us into some new 'dark ages' already seems pretty likely.

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I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective.

I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to democracy and how its poor country is under assault by the big bad meanies sending their virtual gargoyles to pray on its innocent citizens and influence their voting habits and put whoever they want in charge of the country and oh woe me, while they are doing it to their own citizens!

I don't hear Russia on the world stage as vocal about it as the US, if anything I'm hearing a lot more pragmatic (not something everyone agrees with) geopolitical discussion coming from that side, and I don't hear about them actively targeting their own citizens in "psyops" with the same fervor as the US.

Of course, this could mean that the press is free in the US and totally controlled in Russia so of course we hear only one side of the story, but I have this nagging feeling that whereas Russian government is actively and directly sabotaging its citizens, the US is engaged in far more psychologically dangerous activities targeting its state of being, and that the most damage is done by internal forces, not by external baddies.

I dunno, might be totally off, who knows...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't aware of it though. Why can't news be slow?

Because then it isn't new s anymore. It is history, and it's probably better found on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United...

By that definition everything is history and nothing is news because everything is read sometime after it was first reported.

I’m sure you didn’t mean it as such but that sounds like the kind of argument often used to shutdown discussion of egregious behaviour.

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I guess my question is why did Buzzfeed write this now? Didn't we know that dead people and Barack Obama were sending in anti-net neutrality comments in 2017?

Because there are new developments in the case, sadly persisting the perversion.

Context: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/why-ajit-pais-un...

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I guess my question is why did Buzzfeed write this now? Didn't we know that dead people and Barack Obama were sending in anti-net neutrality comments in 2017?

I suppose it simply bears worth repeating that the democratic process no longer exists, and I'm assuming they did a recent investigation and found exactly what everyone was expecting.

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I try to shy away from politics on this website but I can't shake this nagging feeling that this says something important about the current state of the US and the world. I am not a US citizen nor a resident, nor am I a Russian citizen or resident, so my opinions are absolutely subjective. I feel like whenever an external agent such as Russia opens up the troll farms, the US gets all up in arms about the threat to de…

I am also not a resident of these countries but I also don't think you are that far off. Noam Chomsky talked about this[1] a long time ago. Lies of omission etc are more common in "free" societies. My own view of this is that if you are only presented one side of the story, you are not really free as you are not making an informed choice. Sadly, it is widely accepted everywhere ( even in "liberal" societies ) that certain elites should define what is good and bad and then present it to us in an absolute manner, through deception, if necessary.

[1]https://youtu.be/kusAX4Th4N8

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