Do any police out there miss actually solving crimes as opposed to just sucking up all the cell phone data and Ring camera feeds?
Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption
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#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
You scoff, but history is full of democracies that did things like that. Recent history. Governments can go bad, and we should be especially wary in an age when technology gives then extra leverage. I wonder if there will come a day when it's impossible to overthrow your government - or if we're already there. Edit: actually thinking you might be seriously talking about conditions for illegal immigrants detained in t…
Your edit is correct, I'm very serious unfortunately.
I'm married to a Latina and spent ten years in Latin America. I think the current situation is deplorable, but these are the times we live in. I hope it gets better after this next election.
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#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not entirely sure how those four examples are supposedly invalidated by giving them a clever nickname. I'll take the privacy side in most any discussion of privacy-vs-security, but categorically denying the possibility that some crimes could be aided by encryption seems a step to far. It's also bad PR strategy: anybody not already on your side will be put off by your apparent lack of reasoning skills. Instead, ac…
> I'm not entirely sure how those four examples are supposedly invalidated by giving them a clever nickname. They're not. A number of horrible things will happen as a result of pervasive end to end encryption. However. You have to run the numbers here. On the one hand, perhaps a bit more crime, some of which horrible. On the other hand, the privacy of everyone . It's a hard sell. Just picture a politician on live tel…
So, how do you feel about gun control?
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#434The only thing I can say about this is that, once we'll have BMIs, the Government will want to tap into that as well, because you may have dangerous thoughts.
If you see the insanity of this, you should see the insanity of the Government tapping into private messages.
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm asking what's the nuance in privacy vs crime prevention. If someone has an idea that can help prevent abuses and protect privacy without enabling abusive governments, I'm all ears. Unfortunately, to date all we've seen are proposals like the Clipper chip which amount to a backdoor to everything. Understandably, experts are somewhat skeptical of replaying the experience. > I am curious what you think are the way…
The ability for the citizenry to oversee and monitor the government should be required to be higher then the ability for government to oversee and monitor the citizenry. Do away with the veil of secrecy over government entirely (no NSA, no CIA, so secret ongoing investigation, no privacy for meetings among politicians, etc); that would slow abuse to the point where maybe we could trust the government to keep an eye o…
This is absolutely ridiculous, and a fantastic way to cede all power to opposing nation-states.
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
For you younger folks, whenever the government proposes to do something, "for the children," it's a ruse and you shouldn't support it.
Do you even mean that for “save the environment”?
We might have to decide if that applies... if government ever gets around to climate action.
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#437Makes me wonder what level of access the Five Eyes currently has if they're this afraid of losing it.
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
True E2E Encryption would also mean the platform(FB, Telegram, Google, Apple, etc.) also can not read the messages and thus the law enforcement can not force them to reveal what a user said because it would be impossible for them to know.
You are partially right but the issue is that E2E isn't even enough. E2E doesn't matter if they force a patched binary that also sends the data to the government. This is EXACTLY what the Australian laws saws they must do, oh and it is a gag order so they can't disclose it. I'm starting to wonder if this is a smokescreen. Eventually give in to E2E because you know you have got app store signing keys for the apps so y…
And not just the gag order, there is limited reporting so you don't even know if the laws are or are not being used.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not entirely sure how those four examples are supposedly invalidated by giving them a clever nickname. They're not. A number of horrible things will happen as a result of pervasive end to end encryption. However. You have to run the numbers here. On the one hand, perhaps a bit more crime, some of which horrible. On the other hand, the privacy of everyone . It's a hard sell. Just picture a politician on live tel…
> The horrible fact is, the value of human life is not infinite. A mere inconvenience, suffered by enough people, is worth killing a few. Such situations rarely present themselves. If you consider "not saving while you could" the same as "killing", it's very common. So much in fact that it has its own WikiPedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life With a cosy link to a letter by the Department of Transpo…
All such value of life logic and cost figures go out the window with cars and alcohol. For our driving and drinks, we’re pretty much A OK with daily carnage.
Our society at large acts just fine with drunk driving deaths; looks like killing people while drunk is less abhorrent to us than trading photos of a teen.
I’m guessing it has to do with sense of purposefulness, malevolence vs. negligence, or identifiability with the commission of the crime?
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like, to ensure privacy, we need an equivalent of Mutually Assured Destruction: the strategic introduction of a secondary Nash equilibrium that's so bad that it makes it obvious that we should choose the primary equilibrium. Right now, people have no clear sense on what "a gradual erosion of privacy at the hands of the government" really means . We haven't seen a 100% solid example of what any country would do…
But we aren't "ensuring" privacy; we're inventing whole new forms of privacy. There has never been a private and secure channel to communicate with thousands of strangers across the world. Simply acting like this brand new thing is an obvious and unquestioned good is naive.
At a point in time, simply writing in your villages native tongue and posting it around the world could have afforded the same benefits. Private communication has been the cornerstone of civilisation for many hundreds and thousands of years and will do for many more to come.
I should not be vilified for my want of privacy.