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Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Biden openly bragged about getting Shokin fired, though not under oath, and he stopped short of saying it was to protect his son. https://youtu.be/Q0_AqpdwqK4?t=51m49s edit: phone brain skipped over the "on his behalf" part of the sentence, I thought that they'd said there was no evidence Biden even pressured the government to fire Shokin.

The entire us government was pressuring Ukraine to change prosecutors. The idea that Joe Biden came up with this idea on his own is just lazy gobbling up of propaganda.

Biden didn't mind taking the credit for getting it done.

"I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Yet there are some pretty good technical solutions that can be trained to recognize content of said shootings after the fact. Something Facebook clearly chose not to utilize following what happened in Christchurch.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Why not ban both? I can't see the social utility in allowing either in a private forum.

The cure for edginess is growing up. The cure for fascism is a bullet in the head.

Now that everyone and the grandma is a “nazi”, is that truly what you believe?

Apparently I’m a nazi, because I believe in liberty. Are you advocating this for me?

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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The entire us government was pressuring Ukraine to change prosecutors. The idea that Joe Biden came up with this idea on his own is just lazy gobbling up of propaganda.

Biden didn't mind taking the credit for getting it done. "I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone…

Politician takes credit for something he didn’t do, news at 11. You’ve not shown anything.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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The person who believes (or says they do) that the earth is flat, has every right to do so. I agree with you, they're objectively wrong. I find it arrogant to say they have no right to speak because of that, and will not.

Ok, but now replace flat earthers with people advocating and organizing meetings for people interested in joining ISIS. Why do we want a world where platforms protect videos promoting and glorifying beheadings, exactly?

Advocating to join a terrorist organization, or providing support for such, is illegal. Believing or saying stupid things is generally not illegal. Equating the two is nonsensical both from an intuitive and legal stance.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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According to https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/26/18744264/something-awful-... the best mods are chosen by the community they're moderating. You see this on Reddit. The mods mostly complain about how limited the tools are; they certainly aren't using machine learning written by PhD's. But Reddit ends up being fairly well-moderated; it's the subreddits themselves that end up banned for various reasons.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Because moderation doesn't scale.

Case in point - youtube. They changed their demonitization algo in response to complaints and now they have complaints from other users that the algo is producing false positives. For example, the "Great War" history podcast had 100s of youtube videos demonitized because they talk about storm troopers and Nazis, which of course isn't great if you are a Nazi, but maybe ok if you're a history podcast.

The issue is that each video generates on an individual level so little money for youtube that it just doesn't pay to have an individual go through each and every video on their platform and make a value judgement on worth. I mean anyone can upload a video for free and each watch of a video is maybe at maximum a few cents from an advertiser in profit to youtube.

Facebook and all other content aggregation web forums face the same conundrum. And the problem doesn't get better if we invent new algos or people more efficiently (somehow). On the one hand you now have an algo that determines what can be said or not said en masse and is making the decisions in an increasingly black box (as the heuristics will be by necessity rather complicated), on the other you have the very poor filtering videos or at the very least fallible human judgement still at the wheel on what gets to be said and not said.

Who watches the watchers? At the moment we have a handful of powerful media conglomerates that effectively control through monopsony almost all the social media on the internet. What, we've got Alibaba, Facebook, youtube, reddit, and instagram - that covers at a rough guess like 60-70% of social media traffic? But these are companies that are only successful at scale - you go on a social media platform because all your friends are on it (a la the myspace model) and you are given a "free" user experience because aggregating millions of people allows for a few cents in ad revenue per user to subsidize the servers at scale.

This problem is probably baked into the cake of this particular pattern and isn't fixable. Boy is it going to be wild when we finally crack how to make deep fake videos!

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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According to https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/26/18744264/something-awful-... the best mods are chosen by the community they're moderating. You see this on Reddit. The mods mostly complain about how limited the tools are; they certainly aren't using machine learning written by PhD's. But Reddit ends up being fairly well-moderated; it's the subreddits themselves that end up banned for various reasons.

Reddit mods aren’t chosen by the community. Reddit isn’t even mentioned in the article.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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post #38

According to https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/26/18744264/something-awful-... the best mods are chosen by the community they're moderating. You see this on Reddit. The mods mostly complain about how limited the tools are; they certainly aren't using machine learning written by PhD's. But Reddit ends up being fairly well-moderated; it's the subreddits themselves that end up banned for various reasons.

Reddit mods aren’t chosen by the community. Reddit isn’t even mentioned in the article.

Do you mean admins? Because mod teams are self-selecting once a subreddit is up and running and if you don’t like a subreddit you can always start your own. People don’t vote for mods but they participate in subreddits they like.

In Albert Hirschman’s typology it’s all exit, voice and loyalty are irrelevant.

Re: Why do companies with unbounded resources still have terrible moderation?

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Why not ban both? I can't see the social utility in allowing either in a private forum.

The cure for edginess is growing up. The cure for fascism is a bullet in the head.

I'm not convinced fascism really exists in the modern world anymore. I tried searching for self-described fascists on the internet, and I encountered one mans geocity page that claimed he was running for US President in 2008. He admired Mussolini and Saddam Hussein, and had roman inspired costumes on. I checked the results of that election and it turns out no one voted for him, so perhaps even he was a hoax.

Ethno-nationalism is definitely thing. But if that's the same thing as fascism, then the entire western front of WWII was a huge inter-fascist struggle.

So what do you think fascism is, and where do you think it exists? Could you point me to a website of fascists?

EDIT: Thinking about this further, if fascism = ethno-nationalism to you, or even ethno-nationalism + a dictatorship, then Mainland China is arguably a fascist state. How many hundreds of millions of them do you think should be shot? That's a lot of bullets.

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