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An Update to Our Community and an Apology

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Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#11
When you get militant about subtle behaviours this happens. There is too much nuance in human interactions for policing them to this degree. You will always offend someone. They had a choice of offending those who didn't like gender neutral pronouns or those in the SE community that supported that mod.

I don't really have a horse in that race but I don't see a way they could have come out of that without offending anyone. If we're going through a culture change that changes the way we address people so be it, but it's going to get messy once we start enforcing new social rules.

Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#12
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

It seems like a correct observation to me. A nothing / false apology that seems to serve little other than to kick the hornet's nest. I'm curious, how do you see it?

Ya...that was a joke. "I'm sorry you feel that way" is the classic apology-free use of the word "sorry". It means "I pity you for your plight" rather than "I recognize my mistake".

Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#13

I don’t know about who, what, where, when or why... but the “don't ship on Friday” comment in an apology statement regarding the handling of firing someone is completely brain dead / tone deaf. In the very few official statements I’ve worked on, they are reviewed by so many people (so many that even I had to vet it). Unbelievable that “don’t ship on Friday” got through.

Looks like the mod that made that post is a developer. No offence to other developers but my personal opinion is we developers are best to leave the delicate communications to the marketing team.

There is every chance she is better equipped than most but I know my expertise do not extend very far into the realm. I've not met many devs that do have expertise in those sort of PR fronts.

On that note, I'd suggest this indicates more of an organisational issue than anything that should fall on this one person. I don't think they were (as an organisation) prepared for this sort of thing. Maybe there isn't even a dedicated PR person there?

Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#14
This is pretty bad. It would have been way better to post nothing than to post this.

If you want to have a community, then treat your community like intelligent humans. And to be clear, you absolutely _depend_ on the good will of your community. This is non-optional.

Admit your mistake and fix it. And if you think that your mistake was the timing, then talk to someone who understands the situation.

Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#16
-542 before it was locked. That's incredible.

People are really really afraid to talk about this particular topic (which they don't mention in the statement), because this type of call-out to be banned happens a lot.

The book "The Coddling of the American Mind" is an amazing book that documents how this is happening in academia, and it's happening on the software world too. Most people in our industry, in the US, EU and others, tend to be moderate and/or centrists. We don't want to rock the boat; politics is fun to talk about but when that one guy and/or girl goes off in the office, everyone wants to change to topic or go back to their desks and code.

But under the surface, no one agrees with extremism; both extreme fake-left or extreme fake-right. I'd like to think the majority of people just want to live and be kind to each other, but that can lead to ambivalence when people with directional agendas want to push a narrative at the expense of everything else.

If people start talking about the hard issues, but do so respectfully and by making arguments that are sound, we should have clear, rational and reasonable debate. A decision might be made we don't agree with, but as long as the discussion happens, everyone can learn from it and we can agree to disagree and move on.

The polarization of groups of people over ideological lines has never ended well.

Re: An Update to Our Community and an Apology

#17
Some useful links to the situation. (You can find all these in the responses).

Monica Cellio's account: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-...

A news paper article on the situation: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/01/stack_exchange_cont...

A list of mods fired or resigned: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-...

A mods reasons for leaving: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/b...

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