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What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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Value all parts of compensation that you cannot easily sell at zero. Options? Zero. RSUs for a private company? Zero. Promises for future raises? Zero. Actually: any promises - zero. (Promises on signed paper may sometimes be worth more than zero) Always remember that the place you work at has no (and owes no) loyalty to you. Calculate accordingly.

Also, everything is negotiable! Can't negotiate the salary, negotiate on more vacations, transportation/lunch compensation, and window office, an office, laptop of your choice, etc.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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Article comments and comments in this thread seem to miss the point of the title entirely. Here's some actual advice I don't want my name on, but seems pretty effective based on working at a lot of different Big Cos: - Always go for prestige over purpose. Have a choice between a shiny project with very little actual impact to the company and a behind the scenes project that will actually make lives better for employe…

I will print this out for my teenage sons and make them learn this.

Teach them to be good people while they're still impressionable. Save this stuff for when they're older and it's easier to change tactics, and harder to change character.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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The following is (very?) controversial advice. Depending on your situation, it may be bad advice. There are too many downsides to list, so please use your best judgement. Before voting or commenting please remember this HN guideline: >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith ...and for what it's worth, I absolutely wo…

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Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this is bad advice. Sure, you shouldn’t plan your life around striking it rich but if you’re going to take a job thinking the equity comp is worthless then you are probably choosing the wrong company and/or going to negotiate poorly. Late stage growth companies that offer RSUs can be sold on secondary markets, so even though it’s not as easy to sell it is probably not worth 0 unless something is very wrong,…

I'm always torn about advice like this, and honestly I think that everybody who holds a strong opinion about it (on either side) holds the wrong opinion about it. On one hand, the basic intent behind this advice very true. Liquidity is worth something; the reason people are willing to forego 3% returns on T-bills, 7% returns in the stock market, 9% returns on rental income, or 1000+% returns on startups is because th…

I fully agree, I personally know a good number of people who did quite well for themselves taking a slightly lower offer at a fast growing startup than taking a standard or above-average FAANG offer. The problem for a lot of people of course is how to value options/rsus, and that generally the fast growing companies that everyone is taking about are generally about as hard to get a job at as FLAG

For example let’s say you can take $240k TC at a big tech company where your comp is fully liquid, but instead have the option to take $170k base+bonus at a startup worth $400mm with RSUs valued at $50k/year. It’s easy to say that those RSUs are worthless and just go with FANG, but there’s nothing wrong with taking a calculated risk for slightly lower short term liquid comp in exchange for equity in a company you believe has a strong chance at 10xing. The net result is that you are choosing slightly lower pay in exchange for access to a high-risk high-reward investment

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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Work is irrelevant beyond a paycheck. Don't stress out over anything if it doesn't involve you getting fired. Work as little as possible. Get as much done as you can working as little as possible as long as it doesn't stress you out. Never lose sleep over work. Never work unpaid overtime unless you'll lose your job over it. Never care if your bosses are angry or unhappy as long as it doesn't affect you having a job.…

This. I never understood why people at a startup I worked at (even after it was acquired by a FAANG) gave a shit what happened after hours. There was an ops guy actually trying to slack people at 3am. At one point they tried to contact me again on the weekend, my boss decided she'd ask why I didn't seek "ownership of the problem" (one of the god awful basically fascist "workplace principles" of said FAANG). My response was basically, I don't work for a startup, it was the weekend, I don't work on weekends. I left about three weeks later, my boss also accidentally sent me a PIP offer minutes before I was going to send in my 2 weeks notice. Got a bonus $20k for leaving a shit company ;)

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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There is nothing here that I wouldn't mind attaching my name to.

So here is my (very?) controversial advice.

Depending on your situation, it may be bad advice. There are too many downsides to list, so please use your best judgement.

Before voting or commenting please remember this HN guideline:

>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith

...and for what it's worth, I absolutely wouldn't want to work with the person I'm describing below.

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1. Lie strategically.

When looking for a job/project, lie about what you know, what you've done, who you know, what you can do for the company, etc.

Many times you are never actually called on to prove these things.

If you are sure you'll be called on to prove them, still lie, but study them as much as possible beforehand.

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2. Do what matters for the people the matters.

Figure out what metrics count. Ignore or give away everything else.

Who controls your next promotion? Who could potentially refer you to your next job?

These are the people you need to please before anyone else. If you have time to please people who won't advance your career, don't. Look for ways to improve your relations with those who matter -- or ask them to introduce you to others like them.

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3. Extract value from everything you do.

Look at every opportunity you would normally pass on and figure out how you can use it to your advance. Maybe you can refer someone, maybe you can take it on and subcontract it out.

Never pass up any opportunity without first asking how you can extract value from it.

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4. Everything is negotiable.

Your severance package? Negotiable. Your working space? Negotiable.

Figure out what matters to the people who you interact with and use those levers to push for your desires.

The threat of a lawsuit, or an actual lawsuit, can be used in negotiation, even if the lawsuit would be unfounded.

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5. Take as much data with you as you can.

When employed, you have access to an incredible amount of valuable data, resources, and tools. Take full advance of these while employed, but also remember that you will move on from your position at some point.

Back up whatever you can without being noticed. Who knows what can come in handy in the future.

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Caveats:

Most of this is unethical. Some of it is illegal.

Understand your risk tolerance. Understand your environment.

Doing any of these can, and likely will, burn bridges. Many industries are tightly knit. People talk. Be smart.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#99

Be female. The pendulum is swinging back and overcompensating. At my workplace women are given opportunities and preferential treatment that men are not. And I work in defense software.

I assume you're being downvoted not because what you said os controversial - it is in the spirit of the topic - but because it is not advice at all. Its just misogyny.

"Women - make a point of branding yourselves in linkedin, communication, personal branding to leverage the advantages that are being offered, use the overcompensating in treatment of women to your advantage" - still stupid, less overtly misogynistic, at least posted in the format of an advice

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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The following is (very?) controversial advice. Depending on your situation, it may be bad advice. There are too many downsides to list, so please use your best judgement. Before voting or commenting please remember this HN guideline: >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith ...and for what it's worth, I absolutely wo…

Apologies for the formatting, it seems new accounts cannot edit their posts.

@dang, would you be able to delete this? I reposted with better formatting but didn't realize that new accounts cannot delete comments either!
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