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What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

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Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#81

This fell short, I was looking for something edgy. For example: It pay$ to change jobs early in ones career. If you stay longer than 2 years out of some missplaced loyalty youll miss out of some quick dollars. Tons of caveats but in general it works. Now caveat it seems to peak around your 5 or 6th switch. Source: All my mates and I have switched at the cadence and weve averaged a 15% increase in salary

I agree, switching often is kind of a self correcting phenomenon - if you are always switching to places that pay significantly more, once switching often starts to hurt you, you will just stay at your current place until you’ve been there long enough for it to not hurt you.

However, in terms of leveling/promotions, I think this stops pretty early. And it’s also possible to end up somewhere like Netflix where there may not be a place paying better for your experience/level. In particular it seems you need to grind out more than 2 years to get promoted to a managerial position or for any n>4, go from Ln to Ln+1 (except for maybe at a fast growing startup). So once you have 5 years experience you might be able to keep getting pay increases, unless you’re already near the top of market, but probably won’t get title promotions

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making the right decision at the time but later finding out it was the wrong one just seems like a proclamation that it's better to be lucky than smart. I get what you're trying to say, which is finding solace knowing you did what made sense given the scenario at hand, but it ultimately says you can do the right thing and be punished and do the wrong thing and be rewarded. That said, I still agree with OP - it's good…

If you play poker, you know that, for any given hand, you can make the right play but still lose. But you’ll come out net positive by repeatedly making the right play. You don’t get to play as many hands in your career as you do in a session of poker, so if you’re optimizing for income, generally speaking you should go for a job that gives you the highest guaranteed income rather than work for startups with, say, 1%…

I agree with you - you're optimizing for the most likely scenario. My point is even if you play your cards right, you still might lose. In other words, it's better to be lucky than good.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#83
When I was an intern at an Aerospace org, I had a mentor that was the head of engineering of several smaller companies at once emphasize one point - Always align yourself positively with people 2-3 levels of leadership above you. That is, if necessary, skirt around your direct report(s) if you have something to bring to the table for higher up people. It is how you move up faster, but of course, strains your short term relationship with your direct report. Haven’t had the chance to try it yet, but maybe others can chime in?

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#84
post #21

Have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, even if it terminates your employment status. I'm only unkeen to have my name on this, because I haven't done it, and I wish several times in the past, I had. I respect the person who did this early in his career in one ISP immensely: it was stunning to watch somebody say "you're full of shit" to the new CEO, and walk out. (he was btw, full of shit)

How is that beneficial to someone's career though? Sure, it shows one's morals and standards, but how does that boost one's career?

It can protect your career when you are being asked to do something that might be illegal. Especially if you have a security clearance of some sort and it would violate it.

This might be an important distinction between ethical and moral. Standing up against unethical behavior protects one career, but if the behavior is ethical but immoral (that is to say, it violates your own standards but is deemed acceptable in the larger community) then it doesn't really protect one's career. But the self image protection might still be worth it.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#85

Article comments and comments in this thread seem to miss the point of the title entirely. Here's some actual advice I don't want my name on, but seems pretty effective based on working at a lot of different Big Cos: - Always go for prestige over purpose. Have a choice between a shiny project with very little actual impact to the company and a behind the scenes project that will actually make lives better for employe…

Unfortunately I agree that these points work well. But even better and healthier for your soul is to work somewhere where technical excellence gets rewarded and respected. I think it hurts me financially but I just can’t make myself into a political animal without killing my spirit.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#86
post #77

Article comments and comments in this thread seem to miss the point of the title entirely. Here's some actual advice I don't want my name on, but seems pretty effective based on working at a lot of different Big Cos: - Always go for prestige over purpose. Have a choice between a shiny project with very little actual impact to the company and a behind the scenes project that will actually make lives better for employe…

I will print this out for my teenage sons and make them learn this.

How sad. But not at all surprising that someone would eagerly jump on trying to advance their career by such unethical means.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#87
The following is (very?) controversial advice. Depending on your situation, it may be bad advice. There are too many downsides to list, so please use your best judgement.

Before voting or commenting please remember this HN guideline:

>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith

...and for what it's worth, I absolutely wouldn't want to work with the person I'm describing below.

1. Lie strategically.

When looking for a job/project, lie about what you know, what you've done, who you know, what you can do for the company, etc.

Many times you are never actually called on to prove these things.

If you are sure you'll be called on to prove them, still lie, but study them as much as possible beforehand.

2. Do what matters for the people the matters.

Figure out what metrics count. Ignore or give away everything else.

Who controls your next promotion? Who could potentially refer you to your next job?

These are the people you need to please before anyone else. If you have time to please people who won't advance your career, don't. Look for ways to improve your relations with those who matter -- or ask them to introduce you to others like them.

3. Extract value from everything you do.

Look at every opportunity you would normally pass on and figure out how you can use it to your advance. Maybe you can refer someone, maybe you can take it on and subcontract it out.

Never pass up any opportunity without first asking how you can extract value from it.

4. Everything is negotiable.

Your severance package? Negotiable. Your working space? Negotiable.

Figure out what matters to the people who you interact with and use those levers to push for your desires.

The threat of a lawsuit, or an actual lawsuit, can be used in negotiation, even if the lawsuit would be unfounded.

5. Take as much data with you as you can.

When employed, you have access to an incredible amount of valuable data, resources, and tools. Take full advance of these while employed, but also remember that you will move on from your position at some point.

Back up whatever you can without being noticed. Who knows what can come in handy in the future.

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Caveats:

Most of this is unethical. Some of it is illegal.

Understand your risk tolerance. Understand your environment.

Doing any of these can, and likely will, burn bridges. Many industries are tightly knit. People talk. Be smart.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#88

Article comments and comments in this thread seem to miss the point of the title entirely. Here's some actual advice I don't want my name on, but seems pretty effective based on working at a lot of different Big Cos: - Always go for prestige over purpose. Have a choice between a shiny project with very little actual impact to the company and a behind the scenes project that will actually make lives better for employe…

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Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#89

Get an Adderall or Vyvanse prescription. There are plenty of doctors who will prescribe it without grilling you too hard for a legitimate ADHD diagnosis.

Concerta is great as well. The extended release can give you 16+ hours.

...Also great for weight loss, appearances matter.

Re: What’s good career advice you wouldn’t want to have your name on?

#90
post #8

> When you’re in college... Your time is less valuable This really jumped out at me. As a college student, I've never had so many opportunities available to me at once -- nor so little maturity with which to take advantage of them. That said, I certainly agree with taking care of low-level health problems, the sooner the better.

Mobility but no means, versus means but no mobility. Most people find later in life that they actually had more means then they realized.

So what things should someone in university atm look to do to ensure they're maximizing their means
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