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Samsung very quickly went from a popular product with consumers to an also ran.
It seems odd to ignore this as a factor in Samsung's decision making.
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I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…
> Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. If the criteria is to not have destroyed another culture, then there aren't a lot of countries to manufacture in.
That said, there are plenty of countries that haven't done anything approaching the scale of what China did in Tibet in the last few decades.
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I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…
Anyone who claims that Tibetans have "one of the most peaceful culture" knows the topic only through watching the Dalai Lama on TV. The reality is that they are the same as everyone else.
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Oh, typical "What about US?" answer, bravo.
What's wrong with reminding people (who are probably from the US) that their government is worse? The whataboutism that I see most on Hacker News is Americans complaining about the Chinese government, while their own country has a horrible record when it comes to human rights (Iraq War) and democracy (regime changes organised by the CIA).
But it's hard to take the argument that it's worse than China seriously.
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I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…
Beyond your last point on concentration camp, the US isn't a shining example of "imprisons, and sometimes kills," and "systematically destroyed peaceful cultures" either. And the bail system where poor people can be held for not having money to post bail is akin to decentralized concentration camps around the country. That you can say is a stretch, but you get the point.
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You said "US is by far the only market that Chinese phones haven't dominated" So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it??? Chinese phones don't dominate worldwide in the sense of geography. They dominate worldwide in the sense of units because they are the low margin, budget phone manufacturers supplying lower income parts of the world. Not a bad plac…
While you're partially right, I wouldn't look at the smartphone sales trends if I were you... Chinese phones were at something like 1% 5 years ago and now they're at 45%. There's also not much sign of them slowing down. Samsung was basically saved from being overtaken by Huawei as #1 by Trump's ban.
In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.
Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.
Didn't China encourage consumer boycotts of South Korean products after South Korea agreed to put an anti-ballistic missile system into place on their soil? Samsung very quickly went from a popular product with consumers to an also ran. It seems odd to ignore this as a factor in Samsung's decision making.
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You said "US is by far the only market that Chinese phones haven't dominated" So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it??? Chinese phones don't dominate worldwide in the sense of geography. They dominate worldwide in the sense of units because they are the low margin, budget phone manufacturers supplying lower income parts of the world. Not a bad plac…
> So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it??? Considering that a lot or most of the iPhones and Samsung phones sold (well, before the moving out) were also made in China, yes. The 1/3 you mention are just the Chinese brands....