France Set to Roll Out Nationwide Facial Recognition ID Program

Post by mratsim » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

homonculus1 wrote: post #81

tobylane wrote: post #58

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That’s only a problem if you are a terrorist. Or have been classed by the government as someone to catch, in which case that is the step you want to avoid. Trying to throw away every chair or step a child drags towards the countertop is silly when all you need to do is keep the knife off the surface and safely hidden away.

>Or have been classed by the government as someone to catch, in which case that is the step you want to avoid. This chilling effect is the exact purpose, the true goal. When every terrorist and criminal can be instantly, systematically caught in the all-encompassing web of a total police state, then so can anybody else. And that means you always have to watch what you say, weigh the consequences of protest, think twi…

Post by BlueTemplar » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

ameister14 wrote: post #84

mytailorisrich wrote: post #5

This is a rather poor and click-baity article. According to the French government's page on this system [1] (in French): The system is an app that generates login details to allow online access to (public?) services. You install the app on your smartphone. It uses NFC (I suppose) to read your picture (also other details?) from your passport's chip, and stores it locally on the phone. It then uses this to perform faci…

It's the non-invasive nature of facial recognition that presents a problem. If you install a camera above the entrance of a community center, then record everyone coming and going, you can identify who is attending what meeting and when. Perhaps someone walks in to a far right or a far left meeting group. Maybe an environmental action group. With that, 20 years later, you can destroy their career. They didn't sign an…

Post by BlueTemplar » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #78

lifty wrote: post #75

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The problem is that these kind of automated system give governments more leverage than policing using people, and it enables them to do systemic oppression. Also, people have a moral compass that can prevent them from doing bad things, while machines don't. But everything is fine as long as the government is ok. I come from one of the eastern EU states which were under communist rule, and I am naturally more skeptica…

> that this is kept in check and that the system is not extended later to centralise all this data. As already explained the data come from passports. All of the data in passports (and ID cards since this is in France), including pictures, is already centralised in a government database. After all you gave the picture to the government when you applied for a passport... This is also why this new system is completely…

Post by lprd » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 2:08 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #47

jokoon wrote: post #19

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I'm french, I've heard of this biometric thing, and so far it doesn't seem people are really scared of this, so... yeah, it sounds click-baity. French people are very sensitive to their rights and liberties, and are very quick to organize protests. Many steps were taken to monitor potential terrorists since the Paris attacks, and those were not well received, but politically it was hard to not implement those measure…

> French people are very sensitive to their rights and liberties Oh really, like the non-existing demonstrations against the increase of surveillance in the past 10 years?