Ah yes, another case of "We must stop the pedophiles and terrorists, so please just allow us to monitor everything you do at all times"
Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption
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#22This could probably be reworded better.
"While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content through its own systems, it also notes that "mere numbers cannot capture the significance of the harm to children." "
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#23> Risks to public safety from Facebook’s proposals are exacerbated in the context of a single platform that would combine inaccessible messaging services with open profiles, providing unique routes for prospective offenders to identify and groom our children
So the government not having access to private communication is a threat to public safety, and won't somebody think of the children!
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#24The claim of catching 99% of activity is really hard to justify. In many detection systems you cannot know your true number of false negatives. It's inherently unknowable in this case. A better metric would be mean time to detection for a given CEP sharer or perhaps a metric around how much CEP is shared before detection, or perhaps a metric for network size of CEP and how well FB can clean up an entire network at once.
This NYTimes article https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-... is quite good. I don't want to punish FB for doing a good job of detection by turning around clutching my pearls at them. Stamos tweeted that every hosting platform has these challenges and I believe him.
There has to be some nuance from the absolute privacy folks on this one. How do we balance the need to fight child abuse with privacy?
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#25Zuck, the mat is calling.
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#26"We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety." Isn't the entire point of E2E Encryption for user safety, as in safety from the government reading your message?
True E2E Encryption would also mean the platform(FB, Telegram, Google, Apple, etc.) also can not read the messages and thus the law enforcement can not force them to reveal what a user said because it would be impossible for them to know.
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#27"We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety." Isn't the entire point of E2E Encryption for user safety, as in safety from the government reading your message?
They’re talking about national security. They want to read your messages so they can see if you’re a potential terrorist. They are not talking about users security. They don’t give a fuck about that as evidenced by the equifax debacle.
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#28If they don't do E2E, users will abandon Facebook for platforms that do support it (and already are). And they aren't doing this to commit crimes, but to prevent advertisements from targeting every conversation they've ever had.
Honest question: We all know FB won't give up their targeting data, but if it's done locally on-device and we have access to see & modify it, would you support it as a better business model?
Framing it in terms of business models and inevitability dodges the question of whether they should be doing it in the first place.
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#29If they don't do E2E, users will abandon Facebook for platforms that do support it (and already are). And they aren't doing this to commit crimes, but to prevent advertisements from targeting every conversation they've ever had.
I doubt the large majority of users of Facebook services can even pick out advertisements from content, let alone care about E2E encryption.
I don't think they will be hurt by the fraction that do leave for this reason.
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#30> We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety. Oh, so you’re asking for more end-to-end encryption? > While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content t…
> captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content
Credit where it's due, good on them building such effective systems to catch this content.