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China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by gok »

saberience wrote: post #28

So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

> Can you imagine the impact of being able to train from San Diego to LA in 30mins?

Yeah I can: approximately nothing. What exactly would you do with such a train? Neither LA nor San Diego have meaningful downtowns or local transit, so you'd still need a 45 minute drive on each end to get from/to where ever you're actually going. It's a 2.5 hour drive door-to-door today, so now you've just got a three-seat journey where there was once a one-seat trip, to maybe shave 30 minutes off journey time.

Moreover, there's no technology that could build such a train. LA to to San Diego is 200 kilometers. It would almost certainly need to make stops like Anaheim, Irvine, Oceanside, etc.. Oh, by the way, there's a mountain range between the two. Even state-of-the-art HSR would struggle to maintain 200 km/hour over the entire route. So now your train ride is an hour, and you've actually saved no time.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by beerandt »

saberience wrote: post #28

So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

Infrastructure is easy (and cheap) when you don't have to respect property rights or do environmental impact studies.

Skipping phase 0 design also eliminates any potential political and nimby dissent (where all options are ruled out as "unfeasible").

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by detaro »

20190820234322 wrote: post #89
StreamBright wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which one in particular? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I found one that applies to you. >> Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to.

Do you honestly not see how shilling violates the guidelines? Also, the line you quoted 'applies' to me in the sense of explicitly permitting throwaway accounts.

apropos rules regarding shilling:

> Don't make insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, spying, or similar abuses. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by 20190820234322 »

briandear wrote: post #86
20190820234322 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a heads-up: This person has posted at least 12 pro-China comments in the past year by my count. Extremely suspicious.

Are you actually counting people’s posts?

Is that supposed to be bad thing? The guys at Twitter who banned Chinese shills are also 'counting people's posts'

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by NamTaf »

supernova87a wrote: post #4

Hasn't the last 50 years of attempting these shown that they're uneconomic in the extreme, and probably will continue to be even if China puts its admittedly heavily state-subsidized rail-building prowess behind it?

This doesn’t particularly matter to China. The cost of current HSR tickets isn’t even a free market. It’s all price-regulated so that every ticket for the same journey at the same class costs the same (Not pricing tiers like airlines). They’ll probably just eat the cost at the state-subsidised level in my mind.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by 20190820234322 »

detaro wrote: post #93
20190820234322 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly not see how shilling violates the guidelines? Also, the line you quoted 'applies' to me in the sense of explicitly permitting throwaway accounts.

apropos rules regarding shilling: > Don't make insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, spying, or similar abuses. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data.

That applies only to insinuation, i.e. vague hints and suggestions made without giving evidence. I'm not insinuating but outright accusing OP to be a Chinese shill on the basis of his posting history. The evidence is there in his post history for all to see.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by branko_d »

geogra4 wrote: post #3

As fast as a jetliner, and way more efficient. Can be powered without fossil fuels. This is the future. Where is America on HSR?

If they really push it to 1000 km/h, that will be faster than jetliners (with typical cruising speeds around 800-850 km/h).

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by detaro »

20190820234322 wrote: post #96
detaro wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apropos rules regarding shilling: > Don't make insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, spying, or similar abuses. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data.

That applies only to insinuation, i.e. vague hints and suggestions made without giving evidence. I'm not insinuating but outright accusing OP to be a Chinese shill on the basis of his posting history. The evidence is there in his post history for all to see.

No, that difference does not exist.

Re: China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

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Post by bobthepanda »

zucker42 wrote: post #40
saberience wrote: post #28

So, as someone that lived in New York for 6 years and California for 6 years, stories like this are incredibly depressing. The US is the world's largest economy and should be the shining example of amazing infrastructure, high-tech, green cities, and forward thinking policies. California is an especially egregious example in terms of infrastructure investment: If California was a country it would be the world's fifth…

California is actually putting in "high speed" rail, but my understanding is it's far behind schedule and uses old technology.

It‘s worth noting that new is not necessarily better. Maglev is extremely rare because standard high speed rail can boost existing rail services; for example, TGV trains use the legacy rail network to reach Nice. With a maglev rail system anywhere that isn‘t directly connected requires a transfer.
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